Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haroutioun Hovanes Chakmakjian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Keep. SK#1: nom withdrawn, and no other deletion arguments (non-admin closure) czar ♔   19:13, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Haroutioun Hovanes Chakmakjian

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Unreferenced biography of a writer/academic, who is the father of a notable artist (composer). As notability does not cover the father, I made some search and found this in Amazon. I understand he has also written an Armenian-English dictionary but I am not sure if that much is enough to establish notability. Therefore I ask your opinions. Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 17:06, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Enough with your deletion of Armenian/Greek articles: and your continuous sock activity (Sockpuppet investigations/E4024). Have you ever thought about helping to improve to article and the Wikipedia project before unhesitatingly deleting these invaluable articles? As for this article, it may not be perfect, but he's undoubtedly notable. He's a noted linguist and a prominent scholar in his field. He authored what is believed the first Armenian English dictionary. Not only are there books written by him, but there are several books written about him, in different languages spanning several decades. He was a professor in one of the most prestigious universities in not only the United States, but of the world. I will expand on the books he has written shortly. I will also take up the task of expanding the article. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  17:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 20:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * Reply - I really don't know what more to say but let me try: I already informed you that I have made several AfDs on people of various nationalities and that no-one has ever accused me of being anti-Korean, anti-American etc. It looks like you care for only Armenians and Greeks. In that case you must have noticed that only today I made a very constructive contribution to a deletion discussion about another Armenian academic. Please also note that when you accused me of the same so-called selective deletion attempts I also presented you with an AfD discussion in which I helped save an article about a Greek businessman from being deleted by finding sources. Therefore these claims of yours are baseless. Or the base is you want to keep people from proposing to delete articles on people of certain nationalities. Let's say you frightened me and I will not do it any more. How do you plan to prevent other users from proposing similar deletions? Or do you plan to use me to intimidate others, as you have already seen I do not care much about your designs. Look at the above examples you have given: The Greek singer I proposed deletion was waiting with a notability tag since more than three years! Why did you not do anyting about it in that period or get angry with whomever tagged it? One other example is about a not notable person, which was not proposed by me, I simply participated at the discussion and the result was 'delete'. (All my contribution to the discussion was one sentence.) Or is your anger due to something else? Please stop trying to frighten me; it won't work, because Wikipedia is not my life. Don't let it become yours either. Regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:51, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I see that one editor has begun developing the article. That's a very good news. Having said that, I also want to recall that these discussions need to produce a consensus to delete an article. No article will be deleted only because some jerk proposed it. Therefore there is no basis for accusing anybody for 'deleting' anything. I hope these accusations disappear soon. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 22:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The user who has nominated this article for deletion is under serious suspicion of sockpuppetry (see here: Sockpuppet_investigations/E4024). He is a sock of a user that is banned from all topics related to Turkey, Greece, and Armenia for disruption and POV pushing edits Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive129. E4024 was also banned for the mass deletion of Armenian articles. Evidently, the user is continuing the same style of editing. Please consider this before casting your votes. Best regards, Étienne Dolet (talk) 22:41, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That sockpuppetry allegation, right or wrong, seems un-pursuable now. So maybe best to let the matter drop and forget all about E4024. Let Why should I have a User Name? edits and editing aims stand alone and be considered alone. Why should I have a User Name? has stated "I PROD or AfD anybody whose article is undersourced" - that maximalist approach to deleting things is more likely to be the reason for this AfD. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:19, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I also save articles from deletion. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 15:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Seems to me that enough notability to justify an article arises from his Armenian community in Boston activities in the 1900s-1920s (editor of Hairenik, the dictionary, etc.). This was a very important period in the development of the Armenian diaspora in America, and Boston was its most important location. There is a huge gap in the article for his life between then and his death. But that is content issue, and even if there is no notability during the latter half of his life, notability in the first half still justifies the article. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I think this is an example of cultural bias in referencing--the career is such that it would be notable and there will be sources, except that there is inadequate indexing, and almost none of us could look for material. In situation like this, as long as the information is verifiable through the sources we do have, I think the best course is to keep.  DGG ( talk ) 17:46, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - After DGG's wise comment -as a librarian and as an old user- and keep vote I think any admin or experienced user may close this discussion. I opened this AfD discussion after making the necessary WP:BEFORE. Naturally I can reach to some sources (that I stated above) and not reach others. Anyhow, I could have withdrawn this nomination when some other sources were provided by one user, but as they wanted to use this forum also for another discussion, which involves me as a user, I desisted withdrawing for a week. I think if there are any other user who is interested in discussing another issue, can join the initiator in the relevant forum, and we continue to leave this space for discussion of articles that could be deleted on consensus. Thanks to all for their participation. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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