Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harrison Nash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. SPA !votes discounted, no consensus to retain this article. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Harrison Nash

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AFD was attempted but not completed due to Twinkle glitch. Notability in question; A7 declined. Sources are thin, article created by COI account. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 00:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Appears to have received coverage in reliable secondary sources, without biased opinion in article, my suggestion would be keep as this is a person of note but the article needs tweeking.Ktbothma (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, at most the charity itself is notable, not the person; in fact most of the entry is about the charity. Hairhorn (talk) 12:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as nonnotable. The only third-party RS coverage cited in the article is (1) a profile on the webpage for a local effort (The Kids Are Alright campaign) to recognize positive actions by young people and (2) a fairly lightweight, upbeat article in a local newspaper. I've not found any additional coverage in Google. I also don't think that the charity (which also is the subject of an article: Maranatha Care Children) is notable -- the only third-party coverage of the charity is in those same two articles about Mr. Nash. In any event, there surely isn't a justification for two articles about this nice young man and the charity he started. --Orlady (talk) 14:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep for longer I would disagree with the comments by the above user on the charity itself not being notable, it is one of only 9 charities featured on Wikipedia that is based in South Africa, and is more current and up to date than some of the others (see: Category:Charities based in South Africa). The article is factual and has genuine sources, I would suggest keeping for longer to see if other news reports can further enhance the validity of this entry.--English mustard (talk) — English mustard (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment: The article's categorization notwithstanding, I don't believe that the charity is based in South Africa. It appears to be based in Plymouth, England. Regardless, being one of a small number of "somethings" does not by itself make a topic notable per Wikipedia's criteria. --Orlady (talk) 18:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete If suitable extra material comes up, the article can be re-created. Articles are not kept to see what happens next, or in hope of something. Better referencing is needed in both articles - I can't say what the 'thisis...' ones are like because they both don't seem to be working at the moment. The others are subject linked. Setting up or running a charity doesn't necessarily confer notability (nor does being one...) The charity doesn't appear to be UK registered, by the way. The number is not an English registration to my eyes (as a former chairman of a UK charity - not a particularly notable one). I can't find them in the Charity Commissioners list, and UK registered charities have plain numbers not alphanumeric ones. Peridon (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Orlady, or perhaps redirect to Maranatha Care Children, assuming that subject is notable.--Arxiloxos (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with Orlady that the article could be redirected to Maranatha Care Children at the moment, as Peridon made a valid point that the article can be recreated if extra material emmerges. The Maranatha Care Children charity carries out work in South Africa, but is a UK registered charity. It would not be found on the Charity Commission website, as it is a small charity, registered on HMRC (which provides you with there own registration number which is required for charities to use on sites such as Just Giving).--English mustard (talk)
 * Comment Any charity in England or Wales with an income of £5000 or more must register with the Charity Commission. Below that, one may apply to HMRC for their charitable non-profit status. If the charity in question here as the main point of the subject's notability has an income of under £5000, I wouldn't think it particularly of note (without some strange mediaeval origin. If their income is over this figure, then they should think very seriously about getting registered. http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Start_up_a_charity/Do_I_need_to_register/Types_of_charity_index.aspx#1 I feel this income limit might be of interest in assessing the importance of the charity - and the notability of its founder. Peridon (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment To register with the Charity Commission (unless the policy has changed) you have to have £3,000 in the bank account as evidence this income. Many smaller charities cannot afford to keep their income in the bank account for a long period, hence why they would register through HMRC. The news articles linked do confirm that more than £5,000 has been raised, so I do not think it is justifiable to say that it limits the importance of the charity itself.--English mustard (talk) — English mustard (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * At the page linked in my post there is no mention of money in bank - it's income that is the criterion. The Charity Commissioners also distinguish between a registered charity number and an HMRC charity number - which is not, to my reading of it, a registered charity as such. If this is not certain, I would suggest contacting the Charity Commissioners for clarification. Their rules do change from time to time, but this is the current version of their site. Peridon (talk) 14:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I feel that this article can stay on Wikipedia in it's own right, as the subject of the article has appeared in other media sources including Plymouth Magazine (not accessible online but with a coverage of 50,000 homes) and on Radio Devon and Radio Plymouth (as I know being from Plymouth myself). In terms of Notability criteria he has won awards (albeit on a regional scale) and is also the youngest known Charity Director in the UK. Equally the HMRC registration is evidence of charitable status (as the link quotes also states), so unquestionably the Maranatha Care Children page also deserves its place.--MrBojangles2010 (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC) — MrBojangles2010 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete Advert article by person involved in the orgainzation. No indication of importance. Please note All of the keep votes are from sockpuppets.  Sven Manguard  Talk  20:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: Sockpuppet investigations/Harrisonnash is related to this discussion. --Orlady (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC) User:Ktbothma and User:English mustard have been confirmed as sockpuppets of User:Harrisonnash (who created the articles about both Harrison Nash and Maranatha Care Children) and MrBojangles2010 was determined to be "likely." --Orlady (talk) 17:20, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * MrBojangles2010 and We really care (below) have now been blocked too. Peridon (talk) 11:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I am a new user to Wikipedia, and I am a follower of Maranatha Care Children as I feel it is a worthwhile cause (and also one that rarely gets the highlight it deserves). I hope you don't mind me commenting that I do feel the achievements of this young man to be very noteworthy, though of course as a supporter of his work to date i'm sure you could described me as being biased! Anyway I would like to see this kept, and am also looking forward to being part of the Wikipedia community (I hope I have posted this correctly!)! We really care (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC) — We really care (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment The status with HMRC indicates that HMRC regard the organisation as a low income body - in the same way they would regard the Little Twittering with Snodsby Guillemot Appreciation Society. Is a charity with little income and no ancient origins and history notable? This is the main notability claim for Harrison Nash - that he founded it. If it's not notable, nor is he. I feel the two sink or swim together and that Maranatha Care Children should be added to this discussion. Peridon (talk) 11:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.