Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry & Ida's Meat and Supply Co.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus on whether internationally-known but NY-based sources The New York Times, The New Yorker, and The Wall Street Journal - yes, Wall Street is in NYC - count as local coverage or not, and thus whether or not they count towards notability. ansh 666 08:02, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Harry & Ida's Meat and Supply Co.

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Relatively new restaurant with two locations that may not exist in a year or two - 80% of NYC restaurants fail in the first five years. Most of the article just summarizes their menu and tries to make it "interesting" which is routine business differentiation content. Refs are routine reviews in local papers, so this fails CORPDEPTH. Not encyclopedic at this point. Jytdog (talk) 17:44, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. There is nothing about this AfD on the article itself. It wasn't removed: it was never added. What is going on there? The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 18:02, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ah, i made error in not-saving after i added the afd template (the tab was still open, unsaved); bot caught it. good bot. Jytdog (talk) 18:21, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 01:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 01:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:00, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:01, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep lots of substantial coverage of this institution. Whether it will exist in the future is irrelevant. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a valid argument. The refs are just reviews in the local paper about a new restaurant. This does not establish notability and the content is basically an advertisement. Jytdog (talk) 16:48, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No, the coverage is substantive. Meets the general notabiloty guideline. Substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Village Voice is pulitzer prize winning digital media, not a local paper. The NYTimes is a national paper, and New Yorker magazine is certainly not a local paper. The reviews are full-length reviews, not brief listings. I didn't write it as an advertisment, it links to a lot of our other articles. Most promotional articles are orphans and do not develop links. It is part of New York's culture and has parent articles including Delicatessen. I didn't use any marketing language and I have no connection to the business - I have never even eaten there, but I'm interested in food-related articles in general and they got a lot of significant writeups (especially for butchering live eels and smoking them in the back). Seraphim System  ( talk ) 23:08, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as meets WP:AUD. The Village Voice, Gothamist, Tribeca Citizen and Eater NY can all be characterized as local, but the New York Times is clearly national in scope, as is the New Yorker. There are sufficient mentions to meet WP:SIGCOV. Meets WP:GNG. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with Jytdog that the cited sources don't establish notability. Sources like New York Times, Village Voice, and New Yorker, can generally be considered as national media, but they include local-oriented content like routine restaurant reviews. Counting those as GNG sources would make just about every new restaurant in NYC notable. Toohool (talk) 00:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * These are full-length reviews published in the Food section, which is a completely separate section from the routine reviews in the "NY/Region" section (here is an example from the local section) - though this would still be considered regional as it covers NJ as well  Seraphim System  ( talk ) 01:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 13:15, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I forgot to vote. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 13:20, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep CLCStudent (talk) 14:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * delete The NYT and the New Yorker may be nationally distributed, but as far as things in New York are concerned, they are local papers. Gourmet would have been a different matter. Mangoe (talk) 19:38, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * How about The Wall Street Journal? Geoff &#124; Who, me? 21:09, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


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