Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Fisher


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of Waterloo Road characters. Merge them all back to the character list until notability can be established for each individual character Courcelles 00:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Harry Fisher

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All these articles (except Harry Fisher, which I believe is newly created) have been restored from re-directs to List of Waterloo Road characters by the same user, despite the precedent that has been set by Articles for deletion/Max Tyler (2nd nomination). Articles still have no indication of WP:NOTABILITY or significant secondary coverage. Suggest deletion and perhaps even protection against re-creation. U-Mos (talk) 09:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur – a characters list article with short bios could be a quality article, I don't think all of these could be. DBD 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. U-Mos (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that at User talk:Midgetman3 (the user who has re-created all of these) I have suggested that character profiles on the list page would be useful if someone had the time and inclination to include them there (I did remove a very messy and indiscriminate list of characters from there recently, but left to only main characters and given more focus it could be good). U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the way Eastenders have a page, with lots of different characters down it with their info boxes and information, why don't we do that here instead of having lots of different pages. It would make both parties here (Midgetman3 & U-Mos) both happy i'm sure, as it means the characters dont have a page, but they do have all their article amalgamated onto one large page, (in family order). hope this method helps DFTO 11:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontforgetthisone (talk • contribs)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Esentially this is what I'm suggesting, yes. Profile major characters at List of Waterloo Road characters in order of first appearance. U-Mos (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge back to List of Waterloo Road characters. Waterloo Road typically runs for 20 episodes per year (split into two halves), with many of these minor characters appearing in only one or two of the half-series. For example, Lindsay James, despite having a strong storyline, appeared only in the first half of the 2009-10 season. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to List of Waterloo Road characters. They should be in alpha order there, as in other such articles, not order of appearance (a trivial detail only a true student of the show would be able to figure out). — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 16:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all and protect against recreation: None of the characters meets the general notability guideline and the articles are plot-only descriptions of a fictional work. Jfgslo (talk) 07:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say that would be needed if this fair idea goes ahead, just a simple re-direct would make all these different people happy DFTO DFTO 21:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Restore redirects and protect until such time as potential spinout articles meet the GNG. Deletion is not for punishing editors, and no argument has been advanced that these names should not exist as redirects. Jclemens (talk) 01:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable television series; therefore its character deserve their own articles. -- Evans1982 (talk) 07:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, like Evans1982 said it is a notable tv series, and like other T.V programmes, they should be allowed to keep their character pages. Chatterbox2000 (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge all with List of Waterloo Road characters. There is not enough sourced non-in-universe information in these articles to justify entirely separate pages.  If you cut the cruft, there is nothing there that cannot be summarised in the main list article. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  00:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect all fail WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:29, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.