Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Giese


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The result was   no consensus. I recommend continuing to work on improving the sourcing (or the article may be renominated), or discussing any possible merger on the talk page.  Sandstein  06:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Harry Giese

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Only sourced to IMDB and similar quality sites. Casual investigation does not show substantial coverage. L Faraone  18:45, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  D u s t i *poke* 03:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have no view about this person, but I wish to point out that those searching may find a Harry Giese who was the Commonwealth of Australia Protector of Aborigonal people in the Northern Territory of Australia. He may well justify an article as he was noted frequently in newspapers of the period. His wife, Nan Guise, well out-lived him, and may also justify an article as she was Chancellor of the Northern Territory University (see http://www.territorystories.nt.gov.au/handle/10070/218077). -- Bduke   (Discussion)  04:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Selective merge. The lede states strong reasons for notability, as a regular narrator (one of two, though the article does not state this) for Die Deutsche Wochenschau throughout its existence from 1940 to 1945 and as the narrator for The Eternal Jew (1940 film) - he is currently mentioned in both articles, even though neither mentions his connection with the other. Although the sourcing currently given in the article is unreliable in Wikipedia terms, the standard GBooks search shows that each of these can be verified from several different reliable sources, though none of the mentions seem to be more than two or three sentences long. This is quite enough to mean that people might see one of these mentions and then look on Wikipedia for further information. However, the rest of the article is problematic - the entire article is an unacknowledged translation of the corresponding article on German Wikipedia (in itself an easily correctable problem), whose entire Leben section (the Career section in this article) seems to have been more or less copied from this web page (not an easily correctable problem). Unless more detailed reliable sources can be found and used in the article, the best option seems to be to turn the article into a redirect to either Die Deutsche Wochenschau or The Eternal Jew (1940 film), adding a brief mention in the target article to his connection with the other. By the way, the Australian official mentioned by User:Bduke seems to meet WP:GNG far more clearly than this Harry Giese - if anyone chooses to write an article on his rather controversial career, then that article should take the Harry Giese title, with a hatnote for the subject of this article. PWilkinson (talk) 23:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
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I just wanna know he did with his time from 1962 to his demise in 1991, that's 29 years of unknown activity, presumably being unemployed and supported by his wife. Failed career and failed presumably orchid ambition so he stayed home and died like a good little Nazi. I gave 3 fiddy for that joke. #DrakeSaul 321 12:17, 12 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.193.63 (talk) 
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. On a quick search I can't find any lengthy coverage, but there are plenty of sources that confirm his importance. Here he is described as an acoustic symbol of the German state, here he is the great German voice of Nazi propaganda, we find out in this book that he was a football commentator, this one tells us that his voice was so familiar to Germans that his narration of The Eternal Jew would create a sense of intimacy with its viewers and here we learn that he was a favourite of Hitler. In the 1930s and 1940s the newsreel was a major news medium, so one of the two main narrators would be the equivalent of a top TV news presenter today. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. The references you cite, Phil (one line, part of a footnote, for instance) add little to the already thin source material on the voice actor, beyond the much-repeated fact that he was a commentator in propaganda films in Germany during World War II. He seems a very small fish in the murky ocean of Nazism. A literal translation of the original Wikipedia article noted that his death would be of little interest to the German public. But the article unleashed links to the vast amount of online material on Nazi newsreels and nasty racist films, and smeared by association the thousands of other people worldwide who share the actor's surname but not his views. They include the Australian public servant Harry Giese, Heinrich Giese, three Harold Gieses and two Henry Gieses in the United States (for example). The newsreel material is already very prominent on the Web, and linking it to one obscure, singled-out individual is an insult to professionals in science, medicine and welfare who have different life philosophies and who are hurt by association with gangsters and murderers. User:CleanCorner ([User talk:CleanCorner/talk]]) 08:57, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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