Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Griffith Cramer Jr.


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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) czar ♔   12:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Harry Griffith Cramer Jr.

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Fails WP:MILNG. WP:NOTMEMORIAL also applies. ...William 22:45, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Junior officer with no awards. Normally I'd say delete. However, he was the first American to die as a result of action in Vietnam (although not as a result of enemy fire), so I think he just scrapes past the notability bar. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:36, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Undecided. There is an article about him in The Tribune-Democrat, he gets a bit of mention in this Stars and Stripes article and a Washington Post article spends some time talking about his son's efforts to get his father's name added to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. The last two support the claim he was the first American soldier killed in the Vietnam conflict. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarityfiend (talk • contribs) 05:42, 2 October 2014‎ (UTC)
 * Keep military history. was long considered the first US casualty in vietnam. still known as the first special forces casualty. street named for him at fort lewis. article could use better sourcing thoughCramyourspam (talk) 14:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
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