Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Sieben Sr.


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The result was keep. No opposition to sources found. This could be reopened if someone puts forward a valid argument why the sources that do not convey the meeting of GNG. (non-admin closure)  J 947(c) (m) 22:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Harry Sieben Sr.

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I'm afraid I don't think this meets WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Not significant coverage and not an elected official. Boleyn (talk) 18:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Nothing here constitutes an automatic WP:NPOL pass, and there's no evidence that he received enough reliable source coverage in media to clear WP:GNG. Having been a director of the Small Business Administration is where the potential notability might be sitting — but that's still not a claim that gets him an automatic notability freebie in the absence of much better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 06:52, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per my standards. Again I stress that running for office does not make a lawyer notable. In this case, however, he also served as Federal SBA head under LBJ, and furthermore a Marshall and court clerk. Bearian (talk) 03:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, if somebody could show actual reliable source coverage about him in that role. But it's not an automatic inclusion freebie that would entitle an article to stand on this quality of sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 18:50, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Sieben was not the Federal Director of the SBA, but a Regional Director (Region V). (source added to article) — Cactus Writer (talk) 17:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete we do not keep based on Berian's self declared standards, we keep based on consensus standards. These include articles needing truly reliable secondary sources which are lacking here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:18, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Inquiry Would a merge/redirect to List of United States political families (S) be an option? Power~enwiki (talk) 20:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 04:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 18:04, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - A member of an important Minnesota political family. My own sympathies are for keeping biographies of two-time Congressional candidates, but consensus is that being an unelected politician subjects one to a high bar for inclusion. A very notable namesake son, but the father is not, it would seem. I have not been able to consult Johhn Haynes' book on the history of the Minnesota DFL, buried in my stuff, that would hold the only potential source to save this piece. Carrite (talk) 11:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:38, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Searching for him on newspapers.com nets quite a lot of coverage, such as  and . There is probably much more but one would have to sieve through all the false positives to find them. Personally, I think these are sufficient to show notability per WP:BASIC and WP:NEXIST but I won't invest more time now if the article is deleted anyway. If it's kept, ping me and I will check for more. Regards  So  Why  10:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Per the clippings SoWhy found. L3X1 (distænt write)  16:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)≤
 * Weak keep as there are a lot of claims to notability, it's just a matter of getting sources. Since I do not believe anyone thinks this is a hoax, it's a keeper. Ifnord (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, per SoWhy, there seem to be sources, just not ones that are easily available online, which is to be expected for this kind of topic. – filelakeshoe (t / c) &#xF0F6;  21:44, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


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