Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Stickel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. The consensus below is that the sourcing is insufficient to establish notability under the GNG and he fails to meet an alternate notability criterion. Not that any of that should be considered a slight against him. Eluchil404 (talk) 17:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Harry Stickel

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Fails the notability criteria for persons. Yes he won medals, but so did thousands of other airmen, many of whom did not return home. I also think Memorial applies here as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes the the notability criteria for persons. Yes, he won medals and we have thousands of articles about people who won medals. There is therefore no reason to delete this one. Warden (talk) 07:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The first reference is a generic link (with no information on him), the next one is a press release on him being missing (but a lot of servicemembers were reported missing), the third link is a school hall of fame link (but being in a high school hall of fame does not establish notability), the fourth link is an Ancestry.com link, the fifth link is a site that is essentially a missing persons report, the sixth link is an independent history of the squadron, and the last one is a monthly report. Other than this, I don't see anything in terms of news sources that establishes any sort of notability here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "We have thousands of articles about people who won medals". Indeed we do, but unless those medals included the highest national decoration for gallantry (the Medal of Honor in the case of an American) or multiple lower gallantry decorations then there needs to be some other reason why an individual is notable for them to have an article. Stickel won no gallantry medals. He was awarded standard campaign medals, a medal for being wounded and a medal generally awarded for flying multiple combat missions. These are not enough to qualify him for an article. He was just an ordinary airman among many, many thousands of others. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:50, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete as not notable, cant see anything unusual in the article that makes him stand out from thousands of other serviceman with a similar history. Might be OK for a family history website but doesnt have a place here. MilborneOne (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. EricSerge (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes the the notability criteria for persons.

According to the basic Wikipedia Notability for people a person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. In this case, Stickel was the subject of a news article upon his death, induction into his High School Hall of Fame over 60 years after his death, listed in monthly mission reports (USAAC), and listed in the ABMC database. All are reliable and independent of each other and independent of the subject.

He was inducted into his high school Hall of Fame over sixty years after his death. The nomination and selection were by non relatives which counters the Memorial argument. Apparently, he was noteworthy to someone. It his combination of being killed in action; a State Champion; a National Champion; and inducted into his Hall of Fame that makes him noteworthy. Furthermore, he won an unsuaually high number of medals. He not only won an Air Medal, he won the Air Medal ten separate times. When someone is awarded an Air Medal any subsequently awarded Air Medal is called an Oak Leaf Cluster. He was given nine Oak Leaf Clusters after his initial Air Medal.

The first link verifies Stickel being awarded the medals claimed, killed in action and supports several other claims in the article. However, the link did not direct the user to this information. The website is http://www.abmc.gov/search/wwii.php  and requires that the user enter the last name in a search field to access the information. A direct link is not possible. Some of the information provided at http://www.abmc.gov/search/wwii.php is incomplete and the article corrects these inaccuracies with uncited information from the Department of Defense. User: JimBob2u
 * Delete. This is a well worked on article, however the subject fails WP:SOLDIER, and some of the references sources do not meet reliable source standards. The ancestry.com source (presently #4), yuku.com source is a forum and thus is a self published source, harrydole.com is a self-published vanity webpage, military records such as that hosted by fold3.com are primary sources but do not cover the subject in-depth enough to meet WP:GNG. The only source that may hold up is from the local paper, however it is an obit, and thus the subject of this article would fall under WP:NOTMEMORIAL, and since it is not a major paper the subject of this article may also fall under WP:LOCALFAME. My opinion of the notability of the subject of the article, does not mean that I do not respect the Staff Sergeants service, however Wikipedia may not be the best place for this content.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * delete fails WP:SOLDIER. LibStar (talk) 10:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. No more notable than any other airman. The Air Medal, his only decoration, although won ten times, appears to have effectively been given out for flying lots of combat missions, not for any special achievement or gallantry. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:BIO Nick-D (talk) 08:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - although this is quite a good article in my opinion, unfortunately it doesn't meet the notablity requirement for "significant coverage" in reliable sources under WP:GNG. Anotherclown (talk) 00:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the nomination.--Juristicweb (talk) 18:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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