Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hartwood (Lancashire) railway station


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The result was   delete. —  Aitias  // discussion 19:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Hartwood (Lancashire) railway station

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Other editors appear to doubt that this station ever existed, see talk page; no references or other evidence provided in article to support its existence. The Anome (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems odd that a user would invent a station. I have asked User:A1personage where the information came from. I did have a quick look myself and found nothing, but that doesn't mean the station was invented - simply that the source has not yet been found. Hopefully A1personage will be able to provide the source.  SilkTork  *YES! 19:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. A1personage has got back to me and feels he may have misread the information.  SilkTork  *YES! 00:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. No references to this station existing that we can find.  If we cannot find any, we shouldn't have an article.  Also, considering the suggestion that the station may not have existed, I examined the suggested situation of it on google maps, and the geography seems a little out to me.  Look at this aerial photo, which shows what seems to be the ruins of the abandoned line as it approaches Chorley.  Zoom out 2 or 3 steps, and project a sensible path for it to take to join the remaining line and come into Chorley station.  Remember that it would have turn in a relatively broad, sweeping arc, until it pointed in the same direction as the other line to enter the station.  Note that the marker on the map identifies where (as near as I can tell) the village of Hartwood would have been.  Unless the station was significantly to the south of the village, it does not seem likely to me the line would actually have come to an appropriate place for it.  To somebody familiar with the local area who hadn't looked at the location of the line on a map it might seem plausible that there would be a station in the village, but given the actual siteing of the line, it seems unlikely to me.  A hoax also seems unlikely; this may have originated in somebody's original research, where they hypothesized that such a station may have existed (I know I certainly have theories about possible origins and purposes of places around my local area, many of which are likely to be incorrect). JulesH (talk) 21:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's another data point: . The narrowing of the canal was probably the location of a bridge that carried the line over it.  This gives a much better idea of the route it would have taken into Chorley from there:  heading southwest, along roughly through the locations of Northgate Drive and Sycamore Road, probably along directly behind the gardens of the houses on Wordsworth Terrace, passing probably under Harper's Lane in the vicinity of Old Bridge Way (whose name is suggestive that its development replaced a bridge) before roughly following the curve of Railway Road as it joins the remaining line.  This path does not go anywhere near Hartwood.  Had the line been going to Hartwood, its path as it approached the canal should have been directly west, not southwest as it now appears to have been. JulesH (talk) 21:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - three other station pages, created by this editor, have been deleted as expired, uncontested Prods which are also thought to be possible hoaxes. I pulled the Prod on this page for similar reasons to those given by User:SilkTork to allow time for the existence to be verified. Relevant discussion is also at Talk:Hartwood (Lancashire) railway station. In the interest of full disclosure per WP:CANVASS, please note that I have alerted User:Dr Greg to this AfD and asked for advice on his talk page and I have also alerted User:Snigbrook who placed the earlier Prod. Specifically, I asked Dr Greg "A second reference (Ian Allan} has been added to Blackburn to Chorley Line. Can you advise whether this mentions Hartwood, please?". Useful collaboration to the theory that this is a hoax is given in the external link at Blackburn to Chorley Line, here. That article states "The four stations on the line at Feniscowles, Withnell, Brinscall and Heapey were built at a total cost of £10,430." The other stations bar these four and Hartwood (Lancashire) railway station are presently open. Consequently, if Hartwood existed there seems no reason why it was not mentioned. Unless verifiable information is presented in the next few days I shall be recommending deletion. TerriersFan (talk) 21:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  13:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  13:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless a reliable source is provided duirng AFD period. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Peterkingiron. Note that station is not listed in Jowett's Railway Atlas. Mjroots (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - pending fresh evidence. TerriersFan (talk) 04:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't comment on the book referred to in the earlier comment by TerriersFan, but I have several other reference books which claim to list every British station and there's no mention of this. No mention, either, in Suggitt's book Lost Railways of Lancashire which covers this line. A1personage has conceded defeat on his/her own talk page. --Dr Greg (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


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