Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harun Osman (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Osmanoğlu family. Liz Read! Talk! 23:00, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Harun Osman
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Is this person notable enough to have a Wikipedia page? The information on the page includes only one paragraph about him, which is anecdotal and does not provide citations. The rest of the page is just general information about the dynasty, not the person himself. The second paragraph of "Life" is just Turkish president Erdogan's views. Katakana546 (talk) 12:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Turkey. Katakana546 (talk) 12:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPERSON. The ⬡ Bestagon[t][c] 12:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Current head House of Osman.--Gazozlu (talk) 02:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ––FormalDude (talk)  12:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep 70.48.135.87 (talk) 06:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge with Osmanoğlu family. While it's notable that he's the current head of "the modern-day offspring of the Ottoman dynasty", his biographical information (also on the Turkish-language entry) is really limited to the history of his family, a television series about the family that has sparked popular interest, and a presidential call that came by virtue of his being head of the family.  So the bulk of this article is really to do with the family than Harun Osman personally.  But that bulk is still notable, and can be included in the family's entry. _  MB190417  _ (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I had a look at the first AfD, from July 2020. The consensus was to delete.  One contributor, also sharing the view that the article is really about his family, noted that the article read: "After his grandfather Mehmed Selim Efendi passed away in 1937, Harun Osmanoğlu had no one but his mother".  The current entry reads: "After his grandfather Mehmed Selim died in 1937, Harun Osman Osmanoğlu had nobody left but his mother".  Given the similarity in wording, it feels likely that the article was inadvertently recreated by @Jwslubbock in February 2021 from an other-language Wiki without noticing the previous AfD.  Although Osman became the head of the family and had the presidential phone call between the last AfD and the article's recreation, these events weren't included in the article until March 2021.  So there was no reason to overturn the AfD at the time that the article was created.  And I think that these two events are, individually and together, still not enough to overturn the previous AfD consensus. _  MB190417  _ (talk)
 * Merge or delete. Being head of a formerly-noble family does not confer notability, and the absence of GNG sourcing on the subject means he should not have a standalone article. Merging to the family page is a reasonable solution. JoelleJay (talk) 22:20, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.