Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvard Sailing Team


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Shereth 17:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Harvard Sailing Team

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Non-notable comedy troupe. No reliable sources available. Contested prod.  BradV  00:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Promotional piece for troupe that utterly fails notability guidelines no matter how you slice it. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I prodded this on the same basis as TenPoundHammer's comment. --Stormbay (talk) 02:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. As per above. Note also that the article was created by User:HarvardSailing. Yours Czar Brodie (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment – Why have the nominator and those !voting "delete" made no comments about the references that are listed? What needs to be sorted out here is not how "promotional" this article appears (that's a reason for fixing it, not deleting it), but how reliable the sources Time Out New York and Charleston City Paper are, and if two such references are sufficient for WP:N notability. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 13:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Time Out New York and other reviews will try to rate every possible show, list all restaurants etc. I do not think that a review (good or bad) by itself constitutes notability. Should every restaurant, bar, play, etc be listed in the encyclopedia on the basis that it has had a review in the specialized press? Personally I do not think so. It seems probable that the article is not made up, This troop may exist, their general importance or notability is however arguable, and the fact that the article seems self promoting is of concern; particularly as the article makes bold claims e.g. "Individually Harvard Sailing Team members can be seen in feature films...", and this without reference. The article seems to me to be an act of vanity and promotion and I think Wikipedia is the wrong place for it. Yours, Czar Brodie (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, now this feels more like an AfD discussion. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep – I've cleaned up the article a fair bit, reduced the promotional aspects of it, and added references. There is the Time Out New York review, plus confirmation from Time Out that that troupe won a comedy award. There are two articles from Charleston City Paper. There is a non-trivial mention in the Village Voice. The Chicago Tribune reference is a trivial mention, but it at least confirms that Harvard Sailing was one of the headliners of the Chicago SketchFest. But the clincher is the Newsday source, which discusses the origins of the troupe. Taken together, these are enough non-trivial mentions for WP:N requirements, allowing for a reasonably well-verified article. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - notability clearly established by Paul Erik's fine work. Jfire (talk) 18:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. If it weren't for the previous delete votes I would withdraw my nomination, but I will leave it to the closing admin to take the improvements to the article into account.  BradV  20:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep notability clearly established by Paul Erik's fine work and Nominator's 20:09, 11 July 2008 comments call for speedy keep. GregManninLB (talk) 07:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


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