Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvey Danger 1996 demo tape


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 17:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Harvey Danger 1996 demo tape

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No evidence of notability per WP:GNG, WP:NALBUMS, or WP:NSONG. Mere existence is not sufficient for notability: Notability requires verification. --Animalparty-- (talk) 05:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC) Notability is due to connection to album Where have all the merrymakers gone? --Hootsk-- (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can not find independent coverage in reliable sources for this demo; appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC.  Gongshow   talk  05:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - This article should be retained because it is some of Harvey Danger's most popular and most-discussed work released in another, earlier format. Although this cassette did not appear in the media—it was not well known to journalists, as it was never distributed to them or sold—it is very well known to music industry professionals, principally as a major missed commercial opportunity. Peter Koepke, then the president of London Records, heard the tape in 1997, yet allowed his then-intern Greg Glover to release most of it and a subsequent recording on Glover's Arena Rock Recording Company as the album Where have all the Merrymakers gone? Koepke was then forced to license the same recordings back from Glover in 1998 when they became popular. --Hootsk-- (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Edit: i wrote the following before noticing that some citations have been added, and apologize for my haste. I will await the result of the discussion, but will keep the text since some points still stand. Please read Notability, an important guideline, and Verifiability, a Wikipedia policy. From the WP:Notability intro: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article." Even if this tape is well-known among professionals, verification is still needed (and presumably would be easier to locate than were it not the case). If you have any reliable sources that call it a "major missed commercial opportunity", please cite them, otherwise it is indistinguishable from a personal opinion (Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought). These notability and verifiability guidelines are in place to prevent original research, and to ensure that Wikipedia articles summarize existing knowledge rather than unduly promote or highlight subjects that never received attention in the first place. Should this demo tape fail notability, it can be redirected to, say Harvey Danger, and the tape discussed there (with citations, quite lacking in that article as well), until the point when enough reliable sources are identified to warrant a separate article. --Animalparty-- (talk) 01:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Philg88 ♦talk 07:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums-related deletion discussions.  Philg88 ♦talk 07:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 02:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom - No evidence of notability. —Davey 2010→  Talk to me 03:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails GNG. No coverage in reliable sources found. Philg88 ♦talk 04:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete — The story told for the "Keep" plea of this AfD is interesting, and might support an article; but the article itself has no references for anything about the 1996 demo tape (only generally about the Harvey Danger group). There is nothing RSed to indicate that the tape itself is notable.  If "music industry professionals" know the story of this tape, then there must be some mention of it in some independent RS industry publications somewhere.  Unless RS are found to support the notability of the tape, merge the information in Harvey Danger 1996 demo tape into Harvey Danger & delete per nom.  —   Who R you?  Talk 04:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.