Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvey Tolibao (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:01, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Harvey Tolibao
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Try as I might I cannot see how this person passes our Notability threshold. I see an article on a jobbing illustrator performing their job well, but many jobbing illustrators exist and perform their jobs well. What I cannot see is inherent notability

I note that a prior AfD kept the article. This current deletion discussion is the result of a contested CSD Fiddle   Faddle  07:47, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep Meets WP:ARTIST sections (1), (3), (4c)., , , ,   // Timothy ::  talk  12:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep As found in the last AFD he gets significant coverage I click the search for reliable sources link at the top of the AFD and I find this  as well.  Elsewhere I see people giving brief praise of his work, but those two sources give far more coverage of him.   D r e a m Focus  04:03, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Only two of the sources above ( from interaksyon and from The Philippine Star) seem to be relatively in-depth, third is an interview, others are just mentions in passing. This is very borderline and right now I am on the fence. Can anyone find better sources? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  02:20, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;">  // Timothy ::  talk  04:34, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per above. Apple731a (talk) 08:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC) Struck !vote from blocked disruption-only account editing here to WP:GAME autoconfirmed. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 01:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SIGCOV as shown by the Phillipines Star article and Yahoo article, among others. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm always wary around WP:BLP articles because they can start to be a magnet for inaccuracies or worse. I did find this other source from another regional publication, and it's not clear it meets the standard for reliability. I need editors more well-versed in this type of article to make the call. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Today I left neutrally worded talk page notices on the Wikiprojects related to the Delsort categories above, to try and get more input. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;"> // Timothy ::  talk  17:32, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete is the best I could find, and it's not WP:SIGCOV. (Here b/c of TB's message; confirming that it was not canvassing :)) AleatoryPonderings (talk) 17:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Now weak delete per Toughpigs's sources. I'm not convinced by Interaksyon (no byline, extravagant claims, looks like a gossip site), but I am convinced by the article in the Philippine Star. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: This Phillipine Star article is a lengthy profile of Tolibao. This Interaksyon/Phillipine Star interview is in-depth. (I don't think the "it's an interview" argument makes sense here; it's a sign that Tolibao is a person worth interviewing.) Same for this Yahoo News article. — Toughpigs (talk) 17:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete: Article is poorly sourced and some links mentioning is coverage aren't really reliable, such as podcasts and Yahoo! News. I could not find any news feature that highlights and reviews specific works that he is known for. lullabying (talk) 22:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep this article meets our notability standard with reliable sources. If the article is poorly sourced, that is a reason to improve, not delete. Wm335td (talk) 23:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep the Yahoo article tips the scales, along with a few other sources that are at least borderline. Should be rewritten to ensure no WP:BLP violations. Jontesta (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep since subject passes, if barely, WP:NCREATIVE as well as WP:GNG. We have a profile in The Philippine Star, another profile in InterAksyon, another in Yahoo News, and a report about a creative-arts conference where our subject was a "key speaker." Then there's an article in Comics Beat magazine about the game Magic: The Gathering whose creator and also our subject is featured prominently throughout. He scratches the bar and makes it shake and rattle but he clears the jump. -The Gnome (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


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