Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvey Tyson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:46, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Harvey Tyson

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Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep He does seem to have been a notable South African journalist and opinion maker. To choose one example, this Gbooks cite for An African Volk: The Apartheid Regime and Its Search for Survival begins by stating: "In his memoirs, Harvey Tyson, editor of the Johannesburg Star, famously wrote that..." It's a passing reference, but an indication of something, I daresay. And then we have this 2010 news piece. These two aren't enough I know but his name comes up as a notable journalist, author and anti-apartheid voice. He does seem to meet criterion 1 of WP:JOURNALIST, even if the references aren't readily findable, I grant you, on Google. Other editors with a knowledge of SA or access to better search engines may find more. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:53, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added a number of additional sources that I believe are reliable: Department of Information, South African Law Reports, Truth and Reconciliation Commission; as well as several books on Apartheid and the Media in South Africa. If I do a search on Google Books there are thousands of other references.
 * Please advise what more needs to be provided for the page to change status from "For Deletion" to accepted as a Notable person? Thanks. --Venusdurbino (talk) 07:14, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * One thing that helps a lot for biographies are independent sources about the person, rather than works by the person. And of course awards and honours. Again, WP:JOURNALIST gives a pretty good summary of what's desired. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:46, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion North America1000 This is why I am asking for further input because I have looked at the guidelines and feel that I have met the criteria. Out of the 24 references provided 14 are from external sources including the official SA history site, the Nelson Mandela Foundation and several books. So I am not sure what more to do? Venusdurbino (talk) 11:20, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Just a note that provided the advice. North America1000 23:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks North America (I've never thanked my continent before). Venusdurbino, you'll have to just be patient. I was hoping another South African editor would come along with some killer refs. That hasn't happened and may not. Just be patient. I won't presume to predict what the closing administrator would decide. This could well be relisted more times. One relisting is often not enough. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 15:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep There are reliable sources written by prople other than Tyson found by the Google Books search that show that he was one of the most influential journalists in South Africa for several decades. I'll add a citation to this book review in an academic journal and maybe some more sources. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 17:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


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