Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hashem Al-Ghaili


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Tainted mess‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ courtesy of a brand new account, and a separate obvious scammer targeting the article and AfD. Any established editor is welcome to bring this back to AfD if folks believe Al-Ghaili is not notable. NB: the page being "poorly cited" is a reason for clean up, not deletion. I recommend that be addressed or deemed not possible via a BEFORE prior to any further nomination. Star  Mississippi  17:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Hashem Al-Ghaili

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Why the page should be deleted Vinnyb1322 (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Page in question is poorly cited, primarily drawing from the subjects personal social media feeds rather than a reliable source (See: Reliable sources).

Additionally, the page is for a figure of minimal public note. Arguably, the figure in question does not meet the Wikipedia guidelines for notability.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Science, Pakistan, Yemen,  and Germany.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  20:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Vinnyb1322, your sole purpose on Wikipedia seems to be to get this article deleted. Why did it attract your interest, as a new editor? How did you discover AFD on your first day as an editor? Liz Read! Talk! 18:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Good question, and a completely fair assertion! I'm a frequent user of Wikipedia, but have never contributed. I learned about the AfD process in the book "All the Knowledge in the World" by Simon Garfield. This book is what made me curious in contributing more to the site.
 * I came across the article, and found the content to be inappropriate for Wikipedia. Reviewing the talk page, the discussion is primarily skeptical of the content of the page. With one Wikipedian saying in 2018 that they would nominate the page for deletion if they were more familiar with the process.
 * The page is worded in an aggrandizing manner, and reads more like a brag sheet or resume than an unbiased collection of facts. I attempted to clean up the article myself, but while attempting to find more reliable sources for the information in the article I came up empty handed. That's why I moved towards deleting the page! Vinnyb1322 (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Vinnyb1322, well, I appreciate the full explanation. I think you can understand how this is atypical behavior for a brand new editor. I'm relisting this discussion so hopefully, it can get more opinions for other editors. Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree with Vinnyb1322's assertion that this page should be deleted. Instead, it needs to be improved using updated sources. I have done a quick search and there is sufficient reliable sources about this public figure. I'm listing some of them here:
 * - BBC: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180222-the-man-with-16-million-fans
 * - CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/nuclear-sky-hotel/index.html
 * - Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/cindygordon/2022/12/11/human-population-and-a-technology-innovation-to-blow-your-mind/?sh=1b51c9b219d6
 * - Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncanmadden/2022/07/01/would-you-take-a-sky-cruise-in-a-nuclear-powered-flying-hotel/?sh=4c1cac76e0e8
 * - New York Post: https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/inside-giant-flying-luxury-hotel-that-can-stay-in-the-air-for-years/
 * - The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/sky-cruise-flying-hotel-ai-nuclear-b2110050.html
 * - Interesting Engineering: https://interestingengineering.com/science/hashem-al-ghaili-interview-sci-fi-film-orbital
 * - Interesting Engineering: https://interestingengineering.com/culture/megastructure-orbital-ring-around-earth-film
 * - Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11529371/Could-BIRTHING-PODS-solve-Elon-Musks-fears-population-collapse.html
 * - Design Boom: https://www.designboom.com/technology/hashem-al-ghaili-ectolife-the-worlds-first-artificial-womb-facility-12-14-2022/
 * - DW: https://www.dw.com/en/successful-on-facebook-hashem-al-ghailis-advice-for-the-right-strategy/a-36369881
 * - Space.com: https://www.space.com/orbital-indie-sci-fi-trailer
 * - Arab News: https://www.arabnews.com/node/1336071/middle-east
 * - The Mirror: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/flying-hotel-never-lands-could-27333572
 * - Metro UK: https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/27/design-for-a-nuclear-powered-flying-hotel-with-swimming-pool-16899357/
 * - Alarabiya English: https://english.alarabiya.net/media/digital/2018/02/22/How-a-Yemeni-man-s-love-for-science-got-him-16-million-followers-on-Facebook
 * There are a lot of links that can be used to improve this page. Also, Al-Ghaili has delivered 4 TEDx talks in global platforms:
 * 1. TEDxCluj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT-0oGDJqyo
 * 2. TEDxRoma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5H9uGSZTyk
 * 3. TEDxZagreb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsVj2zb6s0
 * 4. TEDxZolior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKQiARO6y4
 * - His Facebook page has over 34 million followers: https://www.facebook.com/ScienceNaturePage
 * - On his website, he mentions to have garnered 21 billion views: https://hashem-alghaili.com/
 * - He has published a Sci-Fi novel this year: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197170429-simulation
 * - He has an upcoming Sci-Fi film with a trailer that garnered over 4 million views on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngO6Mnmzc8A&feature=shared
 * - He published two viral technology-related concepts of his own:
 * 1. Sky Cruise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrodDBJdGuo&feature=shared
 * 2. EctoLife artificial womb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2RIvJ1U7RE&feature=shared
 * My suggestion is to improve the page with new sources rather than delete it. 87.200.57.238 (talk) 01:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Hi! This is me, Hashem Al-Ghaili. The proposal to delete this page appears to be part of a bigger scam. I received extortion emails that demanded payments in exchange for keeping the page active. You can find the emails here: https://i.imgur.com/oLafmJC.png
 * The scammer is demanding a payment of $1999 to edit the page and keep it active. Is this scam run by Vinnyb1322? It's hard to tell. But one thing for sure, Vinnyb1322's account was created just to flag this article for deletion. He has never contributed to Wikipedia before, apart from proposing this article for deletion. I think it's important to protect Wikipedia's integrity by not allowing such scams to take over the platform.
 * I shared what I experienced on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/18epc01/a_wikipedia_admin_is_threatening_to_delete_my/
 * The comments there were helpful and made me confirm that there is indeed an ongoing scam behind the proposed deletion of this page. Needless to say, I'm more than happy to assist Wikipedia's admins in improving the page if the decision is to keep it. I can do so by providing authentic, reliable and up-to-date sources. However, I won't be writing about myself for self-promotion. I would rather let my work speak for itself. Thank you! HashemAlghaili (talk) 05:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome! If it interests you, there is currently a discussion about this scam on WP:ANI, where you would be more than welcome to participate and help us!
 * Regarding the page, it's best for you not to write about yourself directly. There are many guidelines in place for people writing about themselves, and it's recommended to propose edits on the talk page rather than to edit your own article directly. Happy editing, Chaotıċ Enby   (t · c) 06:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: Some context that may or may not be relevant to this discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/s/KozqxV7Zze &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 00:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See also: WP:SCAM. It's impossible to verify whether the Reddit post is genuine, but worth noting that this sort of deletion discussion / threat combination is a known scammer modus operandi. —Ganesha811 (talk) 00:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Our backhand system is running out of space due to receiving 10,000 entries per day, so we all administrator’s started conducting a AFD (Article for Deletion) section survey, reaching out to those whose Wikipedia page is nominated for deletion by the Wiki moderators, and if the page owner is willing to improve the page we assist accordingly and if not Interested we move forward and submit the final repost to moderators and they delete the page and clear our records."
 * As an actual administrator (in fact, the third to comment here, after Liz and Ganesha): lmao. jp×g🗯️ 03:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi! Is this from something I did incorrectly, or would this be a scam that just trolls for new AfD discussions and uses them to extort people?
 * I'd like to make it clear that I had nothing to do with that email. Vinnyb1322 (talk) 03:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It does seem kind of sus for this to be your first edit, but they also falsely claimed to be two other users they obviously weren't, so who knows. jp×g</b>🗯️</b> 06:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Reluctant Keep, per the BBC source from the IP, this Arab News report and this DW segment. I say reluctant because if we required BLPs to meet the equivalent of WP:CORPDEPTH he would fail by a wide margin, but that's not policy. Mach61 (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


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