Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hashim nawaz jung bahadur sardar bahadur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hashim nawaz jung bahadur sardar bahadur

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Deprodded twice, rarely unnotable historical person. See my talk page. Also, speedy declined. ApprenticeFan talk  contribs 16:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also nominating Hashim Nawaz Jung. ApprenticeFan  talk  contribs 05:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  -- the wub  "?!"  16:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- the wub  "?!"  16:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - for a colonial soldier to be dispatched to meet the Queen was no small thing -- the article is a mess (poss. machine translated) but I think its easily improved. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 21:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I have made some copy edits and fixed some language mistakes. In my view, articles like this improve the wikipedia and do much to decrease its bias to english-speaking (spec. American) individuals. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 19:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as per Bigdaddy. The article is badly in need of work, though. Edward321 (talk) 23:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is something I have asked several times before in AfDs about subjects from South Asia. Could someone with a knowledge of the culture from which the article subject comes please tell us which of the many words in the article title are actually the subject's name, rather than honorifics. I'm willing to spend spend time on looking for sources (for evidence just look at my talk page for today), but not if I have to spend hours on searches that just end up finding other people with a particular title. I have the same problem that someone who only knows Telegu would have in deciphering which parts of The Right Honourable Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill, Nobel Laureate and Honorary Citizen of the United States are the actual name of the subject. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment my belief is that the fellow's name is Hashim Ali Khan. That could be wrong though --- I'm no Indian Army expert and certainly no SA linguist. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 22:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I've been trying to figure that one out, I'm currently inclined to think that the chap was named Hashim Ali Khan, but the difficulty with many Muslim names (and to an extent, Hindu names) is that sometimes honorifics could also be part of the name. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Another problem is that the creator of this page created two similar pages - Hashim nawaz jung bahadur sardar bahadur and Hashim Nawaz Jung. One of these has to be made a redirect (after the more suitable one is moved to an appropriate title). -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw the second and deprodded it --- it should redirect to this one (assuming it survives) as should the other. I think the author(s) are well-meaning but likely have a bit of trouble navigating/editing as english is likely not their 1st language. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 05:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I've sourced and edited the page now. It still needs sourcing for the awards and honors, and there possibly are some books for that, but not online. This should pass WP:ANYBIO for now. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 07:39, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well played --- the article is vastly better. I imagine if one could dig up an old regimental history (I may check abebooks) there will be more to be found. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 23:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep -- I agree, medals and other honours establish notability. Geo Swan (talk) 01:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.