Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hassan El Mouataz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. John254 03:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Hassan El Mouataz

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prod contested. As written, article doesn't tell me if this guy is a benchwarmer, super star or something in between. As far as I am concerned, simply being a soccer player means nothing. What you do while you are playing soccer is what makes you notable or not. Nothing here indicates notability. The way I see it, if there was something notable to be said about the guy, someone would have said it. Since nothing was said, there must be nothing notable about the guy. Postcard Cathy 21:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. According to this, he's played on a top level, pro league in Belgium, and WP:BIO says that's enough. Clarityfiend 23:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Plays professional football in the Belgian league so by Wikipedia policy and precedent is clearly notable. You did research this before nominating it right?  Nick mallory 00:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Clarity, Nick: The article doesn't indicate how much he has played, if he spent 99% of his time on the bench and 1% or less on the field, etc. I don't care if he is on soccer's equivalent of the NY Yankees.  If he spent most of his time being soccer's equivalent of the bullpen catcher, he is not wiki worthy!   Postcard Cathy 04:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Nick, my opinion has always been it is not my place to do research before nominating. I should not make the author's argument for him.  It would take him one or two sentences to avoid my wishing to see this article gone.  Let's say that you were starting an article on Roger Clemens and had no time to do anything more than a stub.  All it would take for me to not want the article deleted is to stay he is/was a pitcher on x, y and z teams and was a Cy Young award winner.  In a very short amount of time, you indicated clear notability.  But being the bullpen catcher for the Yankees is not notable IMO.  This article doesn't tell me diddly squat about this guy's accomplishments.  As I said before, if his sole accomplishment is keeping the bench warm, I don't want him on wiki until he does something more notable and the article reflects it.  Postcard Cathy 04:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly the AfD guidelines say ""You must look for, and demonstrate that you couldn't find, any independent sources of sufficient depth." You say that's not your opinion, but that's what the rules are. Similarly the Wikipedia notability guidelines say that a player who's played one game is notable, you disagree with that, but that's what the rule is and AfD is not the place to change it.  Lastly this is an article about a footballer, not a baseballer.  Bringing baseball into it all the time simply suggests that you know 'diddly squat' about soccer articles and perhaps, as the overwhelming consensus on this and the other articles shows, that you shouldn't be nominating such pieces for deletion.  Nick mallory 03:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But we have a long established policy that states he should be kept whether you happen to want him kept or not. Your casual attitude to putting other users to the trouble of disagreeing with you shows a lack of respect for wikipedians. Brandon97 14:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 07:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep satisfies WP:BIO but urgently needs expansion!!!! ChrisTheDude 07:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Plays in a fully-professional league and is an international! Number   5  7  08:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Please bother doing some research before nominating an article. The player is capped by one of the strongest African national teams. --  Ban Ray   09:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Plays in professional league so meets WP:BIO. Davewild 09:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as it already asserts notability, but I'm not particularly fond of the mass substub creation of the article starter. Punkmorten 11:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Professional international footballer. Also WP isn't exactly drenched with articles on african football. Quickly deleting every stub won't help WP to expand on the subject. It's entirly possible someone comes along and add some much needed expanding. Sebisthlm 12:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep International footballer. Clears WP:BIO very easily. Brandon97 14:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, your logic is extremely flawed. "Since nothing was said, the guy must not be notable". Take a look at 1957 European Cup Final for example. I count 7 players who played in the final of the most important club competition in all European football who don't even have an article! In addition, doing 5 seconds of research (otherwise known as doing a Google search and clicking the second link) would show you that this player made 26 appearances in the Jupiler League last season, which satisfies any notability criteria you could possibly think of. :) ugen64 17:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Quite apart from even looking at Google, the link in the inforbox indicates an article for the team DGG (talk) 17:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep (Snowball?) per above. The nom should refrain from nominating articles for deletion if he is not prepared to abide by WP:GD. --Malcolmxl5 21:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Notable footballer that meets WP:BIO. Dave101 →talk  12:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Just WP:SNOWBALL this one already, everyone here is in agreeance that this should be kept.  Burntsauce 17:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.