Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hassanal Abdullah (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Hassanal Abdullah
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Poet and I am afraid, fails WP:CREATIVE. No reviews of his work, some minor awards, very little coverage. Nothing in Google News, few mentions in Google Books but in passing, at least one source refers to Nigerian poet Hassanal Abdullah (b. 1967) (same subject or different?)... Another red flag - tried searching for info on his recent (2016) book, "Hollowness on the Horizon" by Naznin Seamon, and I get 4 google hits (in any case, it seems he was a translator here, not writer). Granted, we have to keep WP:SYSTEMICBIAS in mind, there may be sources in non-English (Bangladeshi?), but we cannot assume such sources exit. Ping User:Cirt who nominated this for AfD few years back. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep I would say that he's relatively notable on the basis that he created "Swatantra Sonnets," and after all, he has won at least some awards. Kamalthebest (talk) 16:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That being said, I think the list of his works should be condensed to just those that are notable because its current form looks fairly unprofessional. Kamalthebest (talk) 16:27, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Swatantra Sonnets are not a form, they are a book. The ref given is, which looks pretty much like a blurb one writes when asked by an event organizers, i.e. it was likely written by the subject. Google search for " Swatantra Sonnets" is only 220 hits, mostly amazon and social media. No sign this work received any critical reception. Please note the publication date - 2017. Way too soon for them to be important. Also, Feral Press is an obscure publisher, possibly a vanity press. ISBN search for the book yield little beyond Amazon page which doesn't even list publisher, further suggesting it is a very minor entity or a self-published work. Perhaps you may want to reconsider your argument. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  08:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - Take a look please: Kontrola (talk) 18:43, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Nobody is saying he hasn't published stuff, but that's not enough, take a look at WP:CREATIVE. PS. Also, as I noted on several other pages, I'd like you to answer if you have any COI here (WP:PAID)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * I prepare theme about people in Homer the Award, NOBODY paid for it! I spend a lot of time to build this theme. Kontrola (talk)  22:06, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete. Worthy poet but notability not established to any substantial extent. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:28, 1 April 2017 (UTC).
 * Keep, Hassanal Abdullah is a fine poet, translator, and editor of a world-renowned international bilingual (Bengali-English & Other Languages) magazine. He is also the author of 37 books of his own original poetry, many in bilingual format (Bengali-English).  He has also been published widely in many parts of the world--Italy, Wales, Poland, India, Vietnam, Korea, China, Japan--and, of course, America and Bangladesh.  I am Abdullah's publisher in the USA, and I note that there are many errors in the data above in the argument.  For instance, he is not from Nigeria; he's from Bangladesh, currently living and working in New York.  I nominated him for the Homer Medal, which was received in China at the Silk Road International Poetry Festival, last June, 2016, for which he was invited gratis by the Chinese government. I strongly suggest that Hassanal Abdullah's listing in Wikipedia be retained.  --Stanley H. Barkan, Publisher, Cross-Cultural Communications, 1 April 2017 67.84.7.58 (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Let me just note that "Bengali-English & Other Languages" is as far from "world-renowned" as this author is from being notable... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete- World renowned yet not a single good citation, not a single reference found from using google news. Many of the keep votes seem to a case of sock puppetry.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 05:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - His outstanding contribution is not only creating a new sonnet form, he also wrote a 304-page epic, Nakkhotra O Manusher Prochhed, where he illustrated the relation between human beings and the universe using several scientific theories. The poet talks about this in an interview with a British poetry Journal, The Seventh Quarry. He said, “...I wrote it [the epic] on the scientific understanding of the relation between human beings and the universe.Poets, from more than ten languages, gathered at the Poets House, New York, to celebrated Hassanal Abdullah’s book publication ceremony, co-sponsored by Poets House and Cross-Cultural Communications. Later, Naoshi Karyama, a Japanese poet, praised the book as, “...a unique, remarkable book, ...that has powerful words and images.” Adel Gorgy, a renowned American painter, used several poems of Hassanal Abdullah to incorporate his artwork. Queens Public Library collaborated with him arranging a 3-day International Poetry Festival to mark the 15 years anniversary of the magazine, Shabdaguchha, of which he is the founder and the editor since 1998. Hassanal Abdullah translated more than 30 Bengali poets into English, 12 and a significant number of world poets including Charles Baudelaire, Nâzım Hikmet, Tomas Tranströmer, Nicanor Parra, and Wislawa Szymborska into Bengali. In addition, an entire issue of Anubhuti, a literary magazine from Bangladesh was published in 2015 to honor Hassanal Abdullah’s significant contribution to poetry.He was also invited by the Chinese government to attand the International Silk Road Poetry Festival in June of 2016 -first from Bengali . An Interview with Hassanal Abdullah at VOA (Voice Of American) Bangla Radio:  - kontrola (talk) 21:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Please don't cast double votes... And seriously, Wikipedia is not a place to promote someone. If he is so oustanding, then he needs to get recognition from reputable institutions/publications first. And when you mention other sources, please cite or reference them properly. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:32, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Double vote struck. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - simply does not pass either WP:GNG or WP:CREATIVE.  Onel 5969  TT me 18:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete as the article doesn't establish notability adequately. I tried finding sources, but could only find primary sources closely connected to the subject. — Stringy Acid (talk) 19:33, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep As a Bengali reader, I know the poet through his poetry. Recently, one of the famous poets of Bangladesh, Nirmalendu Goon wrote about Hassanal Abdullah in a Daily news paper of Bangladesh, The Bhorer Kagoj, congratulating him on his 50th Birthday in advance by calling him "a significant Bengali poet". I encourage English reader to read it in google translation. The same paper also published a review of his book. Presumably, it is the 2nd edition of his epic. The reviewer mentioned, "It is one of the best books of the present time." --Rafi67.250.81.148 (talk) 23:06, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Bhorer Kagoj exists, through how reliable it is, I am not prepared to say. Google Translate fails badly, but I AGF what you say; through the first article is attributed to just Goon (according to GT). That Nirmalendu Goon writes about the subject in a positive manner is the best indicator of notability I've seen here so far. I'd hope we could hear more from Banladeshi editors on the significance of this source. How significant is this endorsement of the subject from Nirmalendu Goon in Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Recent reviews of Hassanal Abdullah’s poetry by the professors of five different universities in four different countries:

India: 1.	Prof. Bishnupada Ray, Dept of English, Calcutta University: Reviewed Hassanal Abdullah's poetry in Ajker Kobita, October, 2014

2.	Minakshi Datta, daughter of the great Bengali poet Buddhadeb Bosu, who is currently an adjunct Professor at Rutgers University, Reviewed Hassanal Abdullah’s poetry in the Daily Ajkal, December, 2016

Japan: 3.	Poet Naoshi Koriyama, former professor at Tokyo University, Reviewed Hassanal Abdullah’s work in Pandora, a bilingual Literary Magazine, January, 2017

USA: 4.	Prof. Joan Digby, Director of the Creative writing Dept at Long Island University, wrote the Preface for “Swatantra Sonnets: Bengali with English Translation by the author,” February, 2017

5.	Prof. Nicholas Birns, Dept of English at New York University, reviewed Hassanal Abdullah’s poetry in Shabdaguchha, January-June, 2015

Bangladesh: 6.	Jyoti Prakash Dutta (writer), a well-known short story writer and the winner of the Ekushy Padak, the highest national award, Bangladesh, reviewed Hassanal Abdullah’s poetry in the Daily Bhorer Kagoj, April, 2016

Please note that these are just a few reviews of the poet’s work. To celebrate his 50th Birthday, Hassanal Abdullah: Poet Voyager, 240-page collection of the review of the poet’s work is about to be published by Puthiniloy Publishing House, Dhaka. --Stanley H. Barkan 67.84.7.58 (talk) 22:58, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This sounds nice, in light of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS - but it is also a possible hoax (or at least, a bad failure of transliteration and referencing). Re 1. Dept of English, Calcutta University does not have a professor named Bishnupada Ray: Ajker Kobita does seem to exist, through I cannot find much about it. Unless a link can be provided, it seems like a undigitized, zero-impact publication. Re 2. I cannot find any source to confirm this claim. Re 3. I cannot find any source to confirm this claim. 4. Even if it is true, having a preface is not an indicator of notability. Re 5: this seems to be based on claim by the subject:  in his self-published book. Re 6. I cannot find any source to confirm this claim; through perhaps you refer to ; unfortunately Google Translate does not indicate who is the author (I can't find mention of Jyoti Prakash Dutta there, and our article on him does not contain his name spelled in Bangladeshi script, so I cannot search for it in the original article). I am sorry, but those claims seem to me like, well, hoaxes. To prove me wrong, please provide links, or if the sources are not digital, scans of the material. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Another double vote struck. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. No pass of WP:GNG is evident and the promotionalism apparent here makes the marginal sources of the article more suspect. The only one that looks plausibly reliable is the Queens Borough Poet Laureate Honorable Mention, and that gives only a passing mention, not enough nontrivial detail about the subject to be worth much. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete on balance, not sufficient evidence of notability. I agree with David E's analysis here .` DGG ( talk ) 05:39, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is obviously a heated debate, but I really do not see enough evidence of notability here, as stated by some of the commentators above. If there is more media coverage about Abdullah in Bengali sources, then I recommend writing about him Bengali Wikipedia and encouraging an English-language page to be translated after this article has already been established and verified by editors here. Clawsyclaw (talk) 05:18, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep I made a 18-page critical discussion on his epic, Nakkhotra O Manusher Prochhed (Star and Human Cantata), which was published in my book, Omar Khayyam and Other Poets (Labu Bhai Foundation, 2009) ISBN 984-70023-0011-7. Hassanal Abdullah is one of the significant figures of Post Modern Bengali poetry. I believe his Swatantra Sonnets and the epic are two important contributions to poetry among many of his other works. Dr. Jyoti Prakash Dutta (writer) also wrote on this epic on the Daily Bhorer Kajog. Mohammed A Rahman (talk) 03:29, 18 April 2017 (UTC)Mohammed A Rahman (talk) 03:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I can only assume you translated the book title, as no such book seems to exist. I also cannot find a book with such an ISBN title in worldcat. While non-English references are accepted, we have to be able to judge their reliability. You believe that this is an important work - but are you an expert? A professor of Bengali literature? Is Labu Bhai Foundation a reliable publisher, with peer review and such? All we have so far is a single newspaper article you cite in which one of the subject works is, AGF, reviewed by a notable writer/scholar. That's a good start, but more is needed. Also, as noted above, the fact that he does not yet have an article on Bengali Wikipedia is a red flag: if he is not important enough to have an article about him in Bengali, it is unlikely he is important enough for us. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:47, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


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