Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hate This & I'll Love You (song)


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The result was all redirected to their respective albums -- Flyguy649 talk 16:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hate This & I'll Love You (song)
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Before I get accused of hating on this band, let me first say that I think Muse is brilliant. Okay, that's out of the way.

That being said, these songs are entirely unnotable. They aren't singles, and they don't have anything that particularly distinguishes them. They may speak well to Muse's style, but that does not in and of itself make the songs notable. That makes the style noteworthy, and that can be discussed in Muse's main article and in the articles of the singles / albums that these songs appear on.

Apart from the bare essentials -- track name, musicians who play on the track, and what album -- there is nothing to say about these songs that is not original research. These songs, unless something happens to make them notable, will never be full-length articles. - Revolving Bugbear  21:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Bugbear, does this mean that you are willing to delete every article that you do not consider notable? There are very many articles that have a similar layout to this one (track name, musicians who play on the track, and what album).  ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ  Drop me a line§ 22:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * We can't possibly have an article for every single song in creation. For a song to have its own article, outside of the album it's on, it should have some measure of notability. It's my understanding that a single by a band considered notable is probably notable. But if there's nothing to say about the song, why have an article for it? - Revolving Bugbear  22:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: I believe I got all the non-singe Muse songs here (aside from Citizen Erased, which has a legitimate claim to borderline notability from the Muselive campaign -- if that article is AfD'd, which I will reserve judgment on, it shouldn't be bundled with these). If I missed any, please add them. - Revolving Bugbear  21:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Non-single Muse songs with articles (except Citizen Erased): Blackout (Muse song), Endlessly, Falling Away With You, Hate This & I'll Love You (song), Micro Cuts, Nishe, The Small Print, and Space Dementia (song). - Bornfury (Talk) 22:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I guess using the cat would have been helpful. Oops. Will add these. - Revolving Bugbear  22:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   — Beloved  Freak  21:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. I had actually tagged one of these already and just forgotten to add it here. - Revolving Bugbear  22:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep Micro Cuts or Space Dementia because it's the most notable non-single song from Muse, but its just my opinion. - Bornfury (Talk) 22:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be opposed to splitting Micro Cuts and Space Dementia from this nom, since they arguably have a higher profile than the other songs. - Revolving Bugbear  23:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to hope that all bands of note one day have pages for each of their songs. That being said, the space dementia page at least needs serious fixing.  Incorporate the trivia section into the article, for one and also re-write the article so that it's well...well written?  My vote is definitely a don't delete though.  -Asdfaeou.


 * Redirect all to respective albums. No sources given other than YouTube and MuseWiki. --Dhartung | Talk 22:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Both of which are also copyvio. - Revolving Bugbear  22:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to respective albums.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 01:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.