Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hatice Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III)


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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hatice Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III)

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This page was created under the title Princess Hatice in 2007 by User:Aciram, a biography about the daughter of Sultan Ahmed III and wife of Nevşehirli Damat Ibrahim Pasha. The main issue is that the page's title is wrong. According to this source it was Ahmed's eldest daughter, Fatma Sultan, who was the wife of Ibrahim Pasha, and although Ahmed had many daughters named Hatice, most of them didn't survive infancy and weren't notable figures. As it can be seen here Talk:Hatice Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III), User:Nedim Ardoğa also points out that the sources list Fatma Sultan as the wife of Ibrahim Pasha. User:Retrieverlove who probably had decided to solve the problem tried to move the page but instead another article was created under the name Fatma Sultan (daughter of Ahmed III) in 2014. There was a very long discussion here in 2015 to solve the problem but the articles remained as they are. Thus "Hatice Sultan" is a duplicate of "Fatma Sultan" and although many parts of it were removed throughout the time it still shares the same core material and sources with the other one. The only solution in my opinion is to delete it as it only confuses people and cannot be expanded by replaced material about one of the actual Hatice Sultans who were daughters of Ahmed III as they are almost unknown. Besides, keeping this article is wrong as it provides a fake biography about the actual figure who held this name. And as far as I know neither Ahmed III nor Nevşehirli Damat Ibrahim Pasha link to this article, so it can also be considered an orphan. Keivan.f Talk 02:12, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Strange. I created the article based on information of the source listed there, and the reference described a notable person. But I have no idea whether the author of the reference listed mixed up the name or provided incorrect information: I just followed the source, so as far as I know, of course the name or the information could be wrong, and I have no reason to protest. If the name is wrong, then of course the article should be renamed. If there is already another article of this person with correct name, then this article could be redirected to the correct name, and the information from this article, if correct, should be mowed to the other article. But of course, it is is certain that this name was indeed never used for this person, then it should be deleted altogether: if it is a name that has often been incorrectly attributed to the person (not only here), then it should be redirected, otherwise it should be deleted altogether. Thank you for pointing this thing out, Keivan, it is important to correct such things when they are noticed, good work! --Aciram (talk) 13:13, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - That all makes sense to me. I don't think a redirect is necessary, but perhaps a mention of Fatma on the disambiguation page for Hatice, saying that Fatma is misidentified as Hatice, and that Ahmed III had many daughters named Hatice who didn't survive infancy. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.