Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haunebu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was

Deleted. While the article describes a notable conspiracy theory, its narrative was that of the conspiracy theorists, and no reliable sources were cited. If an article on this topic is to be written, it needs to be based on reliable sources, such as books or papers by notable historians, and rewritten from scratch. To anyone who wants to work on an encyclopedic narrative about this topic, I'd be happy to provide a copy of the most recent revision; it might also be a good idea to do this in a consolidated article about Nazi conspiracy theories (or a similar title). See also: Articles for deletion/Jenseitsflugmaschine.

Should an article again be created under this title without the use of reliable sources, I would advise admins to speedy-delete it as a recreation. Topics like this need to be dealt with care and diligence, in a serious scholarly manner.--Eloquence* 22:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Haunebu
Very strange fringe theory about Nazi free energy machines propelling anti-gravity UFOs armed with death rays. The propopents of this theory were forever spamming Vril and Nazi mysticism, but that there's an entire article for this, escaped my attention by now.

If we consider the few proponents of this theory significant, a totally other article is needed.

This way, or the other, the current page should be deleted.

Pjacobi 21:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * See also Articles for deletion/Jenseitsflugmaschine --Pjacobi 13:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 *  Weak keep Comment Doesn't seem to be any worse than Vril, term generates 74,000 Ghits even if it is fictitious or a fringe theory. SM247 My Talk  00:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Then delete per WP:V and WP:RS: We don't have reliable sources, that the Nazis inventend antigravity and deathrays. We have the reliable sources that some people believe this and some book authors make money feeding this belief, but that is a totally different topic. Esoteric Hitlerism perhaps. Arrgg! WTF redirects this to Nazi mysticism? That are two different topics. --Pjacobi 10:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Strong delete Haunebu is not the only advertising page for Robert Arndt's pseudoscientific literature. Just search his name or the Ice Reich Publishing thing in Wikipedia and you will find many more candidates for deletion. --84.167.217.141 18:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean this Google query? I've additionally put Pirna Disc on AfD, seems to be one of the most clear cases. --Pjacobi 18:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "Electrical air turbine" certainly belongs to the same topic. The "List of military aircraft of Germany by manafacturer" is severely vandalized by R.Arndt, same could be said about any other page he added his book as a source to.--84.167.240.131 23:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Put Electrical air turbine on AfD. --Pjacobi 07:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete per nom and per WP:BALLS. If there was a WP:UTTER BULLSHIT I'd cite it too.  RGTraynor 08:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete: It's always a little too "convenient" that the Nazis end up destroying all the primary sources surrounding the design of these aircraft and all the evidence mysteriously disappears. Even if true, it would mean everyone writing about it since has been regurgitating hearsay. For that it fails WP:VERIFY and this article should never be allowed to be recreated. --  Netsnipe  (Talk)  20:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Quite aside from that we did capture a bunch of cutting edge tech from the Nazis ... and there's a crucial logic check that always fails: if the Nazis were (successfully) working on antigravity, why were they bothering with mere jets and rockets, or in the alternative why didn't they have jet fighter regiments?  RGTraynor 21:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

 Netsnipe  (Talk)  14:35 UTC, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep it! With the necessary note indicating that some circumspection is in order, it makes a good read. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.64.81.22 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 4 July 2006.
 * Truth? The deletion policy do not require articles to be the truth. It requires a reliable source of the information, even if it is not the truth. A reliable source is a way to confirm that the information is not original, but exist in the public domain. I do not see this page complying with the requirements of the Wiki deletion policy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.54.202.254 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 6 July 2006.
 * This vote is either signature forgery or forgetting to log in: . --Pjacobi 20:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Definitely a forgery. The IP isn't even Australian! --  Netsnipe  (Talk)  09:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * keep or merge with Nazi mysticism or new article Nazi Flying Saucers or whatnot, this is a relevant topic and has been discussed heavily by conspiracy theorists and UFO nuts alike. I agree that some vandalism or altercations have probably made the article more silly in its tone than it was set out to be, but this can be fixed. Piecraft 00:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep it. I found it and edited it by doing a search for Haunebu on Google. An article on this subject is necessary for the few others who may be searching for it. It needs to be substantially rewritten to reflect that it revolves around theory and legend, rather than proven facts. Just put a "factuality in question" warning at the top.--Mylitta 06:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Idea, what if the articles for Jenseitsflugmaschine (JFM) and Haunebu were tied into one concsie article realting to Nazi/WW2 conspiracies or Experimental Nazi Aircraft etc...? Piecraft 11:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.