Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Havatum Em


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The head count is even either side, and whilst the arguments for keeping are relatively weak, the arguments for deletion are even weaker. The result therefore defaults to keep (no consensus). –&#8239;Joe (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Havatum Em

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Not notable and not enough coverage. Harut111 (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Harut111 (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Harut111 (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2018 July 29.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 19:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. North America1000 20:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - An album by a major artist such is Sirusho is most certainly notable. Sirusho isn't so famous in the English speaking world but to Armenians she's very famous.  Hard to find English sources but there is coverage in Armenian.  Additionally this is a Armenian Music Awards winner for "Best Selling Album." --Oakshade (talk) 04:32, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Armenian sources you mentioned have nothing to do with the album. They are just about Sirusho and they just mention "in this year, she released this album" nothing more. The article says nothing about that award and we do not know if it's notable. Harut111 (talk) 16:36, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * @Oakshade - can you tell us what the album's highest chart position was in Armenia (or other countries if it charted there.) Ross-c (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:37, 5 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. While I have been unable to find the exact chart position, given that this is an album by a very popular Armenian artist, and included one of her most popular songs (the title track), I think that the chance of this album not charting in Armenia (and therefore satisfying WP:NALBUM The single or album has appeared on any country's national music chart. is incredibly small. Especially since she has had number one singles in Armenia. I'd be happy to change my vote to delete if it is shown that it didn't chart (unless other information satisfying notability comes to light). But, I don't think lack of information about the Armenian charts in English on the internet should consign much Armenian music to non-notable status. OK, we can't accept just anything, but the paltry information that is available such as https://www.armenianvendorstore.com/Sirusho-Havatum-Em-p/759.htm (described as a 'blockbuster album') suggests that this is a hit album by a big star. The article should stay on the likelihood that it's notable unless a better case can be built for its deletion. Ross-c (talk) 20:03, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete – I can't find a reason to keep. Nomination is valid. Redditaddict69 13:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.