Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Havel Medek of Valdek


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Havel Medek of Valdek

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Subject of the article is not notable in any way and seems like any regular person. He has no reliable sourcing and should be deleted. 🌺Kori🌺 - ( @ ) 18:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The Czech Wikipedia has nothing on him either. A single source is now listed: a genealogy website that does not establish that he was notable for anything. Fishal (talk) 19:51, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: I added a few new sources. I could not find a good source for his birth or issue, but he is mentioned several times as capturing a castle and ruling for 7+ years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbdfar (talk • contribs)
 * , Just because he ruled a castle for seven years doesn't mean he is automatically notable. 🌺Kori🌺  - ( @ ) 19:50, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , All I'm saying is that his name survived 600 years for a reason. Mbdfar (talk) 21:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Needs to be further commentary beyond the WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST argument
 * Delete: I don't think ruling a castle 600 years ago meets notability guidelines, especially since there is no page for the castle itself and as previously mentioned he has no page on Czech Wikipedia. Zoozaz1 (talk)
 * Delete - even if everything is true, he fails WP:GNG. Bearian (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources added by Mbdfar. Sourcing is a separate challenge, but it's difficult to imagine the 20th century version of this guy having his notability questioned. Capturing and imprisoning a lord for seven years doesn't sound like "any regular person", especially if we are still discussing it 600 years later. And regarding the Czech wikipedia, it is very patchy in coverage and whether or not it has an article is not a particularly good indicator of anything. Jdcooper (talk) 00:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 08:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment -- The question (to which I have no answer) is whether the was a NN gentleman or a nobleman (who would probably be notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I believe nobleman would be more apt. The Medek (or Medka, Medkov) of Valdek (Valdeka) family is descended from the Buzic family, (more specifically a branch of the Zajíc family), an aristocratic house. The genealogy website cited in the article (admittedly probably not WP:RS) puts Havel as the great grandson of Vilém Zajíc z Valdeka, a notable aristocrat. Additionally, this source (page 190) alludes to Havel previously being landed at "Tejnice nad Sázavou" in 1349 (certainly modern day Týnec nad Sázavou as per this map and the castles cultural listing stating ownership of the Medkas of Valdek).  Mbdfar (talk) 00:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 07:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Added additional info and sourcing. Mbdfar (talk) 18:03, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - hard work by, but I still think he's not notable. Bearian (talk) 00:18, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha fair enough. I appreciate the acknowledgement! Mbdfar (talk) 05:29, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.