Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hawise Lestrange


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The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 23:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hawise Lestrange

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I do not believe this person meets notability criteria. Yes their existence is documemted: so is mine. I know iis not a valid argument, but did this wmaon actually do anything of real interest? TheLongTone (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Yes documentation about this person exists - in reliable academic publications. This person was the wife of the King of Powys,a small, recognized kingdom in medieval Briton. This means she was the Queen, or Princess of the kingdom, which in its self should qualify her for Notability. Historic sources (my colleague should be providing sources shortly) also indicate that she played a significant role in the assassination of Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, which addresses your other question about her interesting achievements. It's difficult to pin these points to existing notability criteria but i would suggest that there is a precedent for people of similar notability being included on Wikipedia. Jason.nlw (talk) 15:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep She was an important figure during her time period and the article itself adds to women's history in an area that is difficult to research. Also, the claim of nobility seems reasonable, too. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:59, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Hawise is a well-documented medieval woman of the welsh marches, which in itself makes her both unusual and notable, given the difficulty of finding out about the lives of medieval women. However, she was also socially well-connected to English and Welsh elite and even royal families and was politically influential, as shown by her role in machinations against Llywelyn ap Gruffudd. She is well-attested in historical writing about medieval Wales, which demonstrates the importance that historians ascribe to her. Srbswansea Srbswansea (talk) 10:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep You know I don't vote all that often on these, but I concur with the above comments. It's unusual for a medieval woman to be as well-documented as this one. Deb (talk) 12:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep It is essential we recognise individuals like Hawise Lestrange, who is not only well documented in contemporary records but is also the subject of important recent scholarship which clearly demonstrates her notability. She was actually more central to affairs than this entry (as yet) makes clear, and her appearance on Wikipedia helps to raise the profile of important medieval woman. Compare this with, for example, the entries for some of the more obscure Welsh princes of the age, where very little at all is known about them and yet they are allowed a presence on Wikipedia. There is no question that Hawise should stay, or that other women should join her. MedievalGirl —Preceding undated comment added 12:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Me again. Just to say, Hawise's profile now demonstrates her roles more fully, and more is to come. I reiterate my previous comment.MedievalGirl
 * Keep. Quite well referenced, encyclopedic and educational. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 05:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


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