Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hayes Grier (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. North America1000 05:34, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Hayes Grier
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notability seems uncertain.  DGG ( talk ) 23:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  23:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  23:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to brother Nash or simply delete as News and Highbeam found several links but nothing solidly better yet. Notifying draft accepter . SwisterTwister   talk  23:20, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, but... I accepted the draft on the assumption (yeah, yeah, I know) that the Dancing with the Stars appearance would generate more coverage of it. It looks like it hasn't. I think SwisterTwister may have the right idea with a merge into his brother's article (Nash Grier). —C.Fred (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete He's a 15-year-old who has a brother who is an "internet celebrity" and occasionally posts Vine videos. The only noteworthy thing he's done is make an appearance on a mildly popular TV show and go on a "Vine tour" as a sideshow. If this is someone worthy of a Wikipedia page, God save us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HalloweenNight (talk • contribs) 17:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC) *Merge in to Nash Grier - He's basically known for Vines and appearing on some American dance contest ... that's it ... It's no different to someone in the UK making Vines and appearing on Strictly Come Dancing ..., Had the bloke done a little bit more and there been better sources I'd happily !vote Keep but as it stands he's a non notable bloke. Meh better merged than deleted I guess. – Davey 2010 Talk 16:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep His Dancing with the Stars stint (which, by the way, is hardly a mildly popular TV show, considering there were probably about 15 million viewers that season) did generate exposure in mainstream media, some of which I have added to the article. I also added mention of a publicity contract that he signed afterwards with Creative Artists Agency. This is more than enough to meet WP:GNG. &#160; Discant X  12:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect with a brief mention - Bit confusing but I actually meant "Redirecting with a brief mention" above but realize now it's not obvious what I meant at all... So hopefully I've made my !vote less confusing! . – Davey 2010 Talk 13:12, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Davey2010, Isn't a redirect with a brief mention basically a merge? Anyway, to be clear for the closing editor's sake, it seems you favor pointing this article to his brother's and making a mention of him somewhere in that article, no?
 * Personally, I think that if someone has had multiple publications dedicated to him personally, he becomes the subject of those articles, and any relation to his brother for the purposes of notability can be ignored. So are Hayes and Nash related? Yes. Are they separately notable? Also yes. If Hayes and Nash were not related, Hayes would still be deserving of an article here. His appearance on a prime time TV series and the subsequent media discussion about him is enough for him to be independently notable, regardless of who his brother is. &#160; Discant  X  12:31, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * For some reason when I read it back it sounded confusing so figured I'd try & make it less confusing but I have a feeling I've done the exact opposite, I don't believe he's notable but we all have different opinions & all that – Davey 2010 Talk 15:22, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep A C-list celebrity, yes, but he still meets WP:BIO. Plus, the reason for the nomination is a little puny. And Adoil Descended (talk) 02:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep'. He squeaks past the notability threshold - but squeak past, he does. GNG, BLP, they're met. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:09, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect or draft (if possible) - Agree with . Redirect to brother Nash with brief info about this brother. Vincent60030 (talk) 12:25, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect as per 's rationale. Simply not enough coverage to pass WP:GNG for a standalone article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onel5969 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 4 December 2015

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Jkudlick t c s 08:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep' It's the Dancing with the Stars bit that makes this one a keep. --MurderByDeletionism"bang!" 20:12, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete lacks secondary source coverage to establish notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


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