Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hayley Angela Gilbert


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:08, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Hayley Angela Gilbert

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Only one verifiable source (huffpost) and doesn't seem to meet the guidelines on notability... TJH2018 talk  18:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep: Non trival notability is seen. Alarmbaby (talk) 04:02, 2 March 2017 (UTC) — Alarmbaby (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: Actress off to a good start in a 14 year old Career. Reoccurring role in the TV seies Vignettes. She now hosts her own live talk show Sonic Box which debuted last year. Karl Twist (talk) 08:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of independent and non-trivial sources. Up and coming actor, but fails WP:NACTOR and is WP:TOOSOON.  Bear in mind that one can make a living without being notable enough for an encyclopedia entry.  Scr ★ pIron IV 14:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:49, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete In the article, zero usable sources, outside the article I find the usual puffery only.  E Eng  18:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment in relation to EEng's post 18:38, 3 March 2017. Quote: "zero usable sources". - Well, we can use one source among a few others. The Huffington Post article Exclusive Interview with Hayley Angela Gilbert: Comedian, Actress and Talk Show Host by Akshat Thapa seems fine. The Girls Mag article Hayley Angela Gilbert Talking About Her Latest video which is about her role in Yuksek’s latest music video "Sunrise" is very useful. You can watch the video on Youtube here. Not off to a tremendous galloping start with 89,119 views since it was uploaded on 4th November 2016. But a fairly respectable amount of views. The video is talked about in Clash - here, Musique.orange.fr - here, and many other notable online music news sources on Google News. There's also at least a dozen other articles about here in online magazines that you can find when you look around. Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 12:18, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I meant zero sources usable for notability purposes, which was the case at the time I commented (interviews having no notability value, not being independent). Now that you've refbombed the article, we have a new problem: certainly most of the new refs aren't independent, but maybe some of them are. However, I'm not going to plow through it all looking. Can you just tell is which of these are significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject?  E Eng  16:02, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - lack of significant coverage in reliable independent sources, and the recently-added filmography shows very clearly that it is too soon for an article. The article lead mentions her playing Anne Frank in a local production of Anne Frank's Diary, certainly an important part in that play but it was not a notable production; her one-time appearance in a notable TV show; and two appearances together with notable actors (where one of the claims is not sourced, namely her appearance in She Wants Me, which I can't find any sourcing for at all). All these things indicate that it is simply too soon for an article. --bonadea contributions talk 10:21, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, Reply to Bonadea's 10:21, 4 March 2017 post. Quote: "her one-time appearance in a notable TV show" - Hi, Bonadea. Well there's more than one show. She has acted in Crime Team, Episode: The Cut Throat Killer / Bournemouth Ladykiller, where she played the part of Constance. There's also Dream Team, Episode: Easy Come Easy Go. She played the part of Sally. She played the part of Rachel in Lynda La Plante's Trial & Retribution Part 1.. So that's 3. She played a journalist in Bad Girls. So that's 4. She also had parts in Mile High, Episode: #1.2, and Holby City. That makes 6. Quote: - "namely her appearance in She Wants Me, which I can't find any sourcing for at all)" - As for She Wants Me, there are 2 refs here that prove she was in the film. They are at Aveleyman, and The Huffington Post - here. There's probably more. Anyway, I'm more than satisfied that she is notable. Karl Twist (talk) 12:45, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you - this makes it very clear that this talented actor is not yet notable enough per Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Many minor parts in notable productions don't "count", nor do major parts in nonnotable productions. WP:NACTOR is obviously not yet met, and when she does meet the criteria, somebody who is not connected to her or her marketing team will create an article about her. --bonadea contributions talk 23:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply to Bonadea's 23:11, 4 March 2017 post. She has had 3 roles in notable series that are significant. Also a significant role in a feature film. Right now she is getting increasing coverage for her role in Sonic Box. Also here at Huffington Post - here. and many online magazines are picking up on her. Notable! 10:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep : passes WP:NACTOR -She has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances and other productions Abrahamherews (talk) 15:48, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Provided references fall short of satisfying WP:GNG, and I found nothing better. -- Finngall  talk  22:21, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NACTOR is pretty cut and dry here. Does the actress have multiple, significant rolls in notable television or films? Looking at this person's bio, no, they don't. Valeince (talk) 01:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment She has acted in a number of films and televisions in significant roles and also hosts couple of Televisions shows. clearly passes WP:NACTOR Abrahamherews (talk) 07:37,
 * Which shows or films are you suggesting that meet the criteria of being notable, and which roles of her's are major roles in those notable shows and films? Because I can't find any that match those two points. Valeince (talk) 19:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Since this looked like it might barely pass the notability guidelines, I fixed the duplicate citations and took a quick look at each of the current sources. Here's what I've got on if each one works for keeping the article:
 * Huffington Post – Yes No due to author. See comment thread below.
 * Celeb Fans – Maybe (Reliable Source?)
 * Showbizwatch.com – No (I don’t think it’s a valid RS as a film credit)
 * AMB Magazine.com – Maybe (Reliable Source?)
 * Nora Gouma Magazine – Maybe (Reliable Source?)
 * Flappers Comedy Club – No (Award is not notable, probably the same with the comedy club)
 * IMDB – IMDB is a disputable as a RS, but this is as close to valid as you can get for IMDB
 * Horror Society and Dread Central – No (I don’t think it’s a valid RS as a film credit)
 * Aveleyman, Cinemagia.ro, Filmtips – Maybe as a film credit
 * PR.Com – Probably not an independent source
 * Spreaker Inc., Girls Mag, Daily Style Entertainment - Yes (Reliable Sources?)
 * Wn.com – No (Not an independent source as it was written by Hayley)
 * IMDB – See previous IMDB entry.
 * If the ones I flagged as maybe reliable are actually reliable sources, then I think this is a weak keep that needs some work but is otherwise salvageable. I'll let more experienced Wikipedia minds determine that. If not, Delete for now as WP:TOOSOON. ZettaComposer (talk) 13:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 16:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:49, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment to ZettaComposer's thoughtful commentary on each source. I would not classify the Huff Post piece as a source that counts towards notability, as it was written by an "Authority Marketing and Personal Branding expert at [marketing company] who helps corporations, business professionals, actors, music artists, and authors gain national media exposure." In addition, it's not actually part of Huffington Post's own journalistic content, but, per the infobox next to the interview, "hosted on the Huffington Post's Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and post freely to [the] site." Which is another way of saying that the interview was published in order to garner publicity for the subject, it is not a sign of her being in fact notable.  I'm still firmly in the delete camp. --bonadea contributions talk 22:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Totally disagree with bonadea. The title of the article is "Exclusive Interview with Hayley Angela Gilbert: Comedian, Actress and Talk Show Host", and that's what it is, An article read by the Huffington Post readers! Karl Twist (talk) 10:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That is entirely beside the point. The question was "Is this a reliable source here" and my assessment was that it isn't, for the reasons given above - it is evidently part of a promotional effort. Nobody said it wasn't an interview, but then again, interviews are normally considered very weak evidence of notability. --bonadea contributions talk 10:58, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply to Bonadea's 10:58, 20 March 2017 post. "That is entirely beside the point. The question was "Is this a reliable source here" and my assessment was that it isn't, for the reasons given above - it is evidently part of a promotional effort." - No! It doesn't matter if it was a promotional effort or not. The article (whatever it was) appeared in The Huffington Post which is a reliable and well used source in Wikipedia. Many articles are a form of promotion in one way or another. This was an in-depth interview by Akshat Thapa which was published in the Huffington Post! It wasn't written and published in some back-street magazine with a circulation of 2000. A valid and reliable reference source. What you also neglect to mention is that in the Crime Team episode The Cut Throat Killer/Bournemouth Ladykiller, she had the main role as Constance.  In Dream Team episode Easy Come Easy Go, she had the main role as Sally. She also appeared in  Yuksek's music video "Sunrise" as the leading female character. She is featured in many online magazines too.  Karl Twist (talk) 09:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The journalistic content of The Huffington Post is a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes, but the Contributor Platform, which has no editorial oversight, is not. Please see this discussion at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. Some other major reliable sources have similar arrangements, such as the CNN iReport, which is not accepted as a reliable source in Wikipedia even though the journalistic content in CNN meets WP:RS. --bonadea contributions talk 10:23, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw that but I also see many similar being fine for refs. As it appears in the Huff, more than acceptable. Also you still don't recognize her lead roles in notable television shows and other. Karl Twist (talk) 15:06, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Great point, next time I'll make sure to pay closer attention to the author. I took another look at the Huffington Post article and the author's contributor page clearly shows that he is a PR guy that writes articles to increase exposure, so this would not work as a source to show notability. I amended my post above accordingly, and I'm leaning more towards delete as this is looking more like a WP:TOOSOON case. ZettaComposer (talk) 11:56, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - clearly doesn't meet WP:NACTOR, in spite of the unsupported claims by some of the above editors, and sourcing doesn't show how they meet WP:GNG. Of course the Huffpo article doesn't count. PR never counts.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:09, 25 March 2017 (UTC)


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