Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hazrat Ishaan (title)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  01:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hazrat Ishaan (title)
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Not a single WP:RS in the article. It is riddled with WP:OR and non-WP:RS POV added primarily by multiple blocked socks. One beguns to ask if this 'Hazrat Ishaan' is even a thing. The article itself was made by a user banned for sockpuppetry, which is most likely the same person as the IPs who have recently made loads of edits to the article.

(I accidentally made a 2nd nomination, mb).

EDIT: My bad, there actually are a few WP:RS... which doesn't support the listed information, nor makes a single mention of this 'Hazrat Ishaan'.

--HistoryofIran (talk) 21:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Poetry, Royalty and nobility, Islam, Afghanistan, Iran,  and India.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I personally think that this article should not be deleted as it has a very significant and important history.

The Hazrat Ishaans had tremendous influence as Mughal and Afghan Princes and even in presdnt time I have seen videos of family members that are well respected. I can put these sources in.

Concerning the sources, I think that they are actually serious ones. Sure there are some that may require a library journey, but reading about these works like the Maqamat Mahmudiya, they are serious hiatorical sources from the second Hazrat Ishaan Moinuddin Hadi and archived in Indian universities. The work of Damrel is a new Duke university dissertation at Proquest, literally metioning for example the "Az Aabr Khist" scene.

All in all this artivle should not be deleted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:598:A973:CB14:1:2:18E3:B2C0 (talk) 05:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually this article must not be deleted, because it has a great significance in historical and in comparison to the Agha Khan to present time. I do not see any problems with the sources. Those availabole actually support what is written in this article. Please do not delete this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.193.91 (talk) 09:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Heavily sympathise for HistoryofIran in this regard. This article is rife with original research, personal religious beliefs stated from a first-person point of view, and self-published sources as citations. I am actively working on removing these explicit violations of Wikipedias policy by the creators of this page so that this page meets the standards of Wikipedia. 0xP4R4D0X (talk) 11:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * More socks ^^. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed, it seems this article has mostly been edited by socks. 0xP4R4D0X (talk) 11:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you HistoryofIran for your edits to the page and removing the frivolous citations/claims. The page is considerably closer aligned to the Wikipedia policy and is one step closer to meeting the rigorous standards of Wikipedia. 0xP4R4D0X (talk) 11:59, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Would like some discussion on the changes in the article since nomination. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 01:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The article lacks any kind of verification from reliable sources. Fad Ariff (talk) 12:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:OR. Shashank5988 (talk) 14:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:VER. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. This is personal work with entirely inadequate sourcing. And the odor of miscreant socks does not help in the least. -The Gnome (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There are some "Keep" comments here that are not bolded and references have been added though whether or not they are sufficient I guess will be decided by the closer here. Liz Read! Talk! 22:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I am not convinced by the sources that have been added. This should find a short mention at Hazrat Ishaan under a section, "Legacy" (if added with reliable sources supporting the information). ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  00:15, 17 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.