Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hazrat Sayed Mohammad Ameer Shah Al Qadri Al Gillani (Moulvee Jee)


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The result was   delete, i'll userfy if requested. Wizardman 03:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hazrat Sayed Mohammad Ameer Shah Al Qadri Al Gillani (Moulvee Jee)

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Just created. I didn't know what to make of it, but if I had to guess I'd say it's unsourced stuff. Google turns up nothing for "Hazrat Sayed Mohammad Ameer Shah Al Qadri Al Gillani" or "Moulvee Jee" Adoniscik(t, c) 13:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.   --  Beloved  Freak  16:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think google is not the only source of information . There have been many other sources of information when there used to be no google at all.I have lots of works of Hazarat Mohammad Ameer Shah but mostly are in urdu and now many people will team up to add to this article.Website is under development the data is being gathered and being translated into english finally it will be dumped here on wiki which will later on used to populate the contents of the website. mean while see this link http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-msgr&p=moulvijie&type=

and http://hindko.pk/bod.html ...a student mentioning his name at his own website http://drahmad.org/page2.htm If any other information is needed do contact me here or at shiz409@yahoo.com. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qadri409 (talk • contribs) 08:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

For one thing, the article is a mess. Please acquaint yourself with wiki formatting and the WP:MOS. Secondly, we need to be able to verify the contents of the article, which means reliable sources. I don't see much in Google for any "founder of Qadria". --Adoniscik(t, c) 15:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that helps me decide. If all you have for support is one web forum with less than two dozen posts I would have to say this article fails the notability test. --Adoniscik(t, c) 16:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I thought maybe Google Books would have something...it does. On page 49 of Shah Latif and His Message we find "The Qadria Sect. The founder of this sect was Sheikh Mohyuddin Abu Muhammad Abdul Qadir bin Saleh Musa Jilani. He was born inn 470 Hijra (1077 AD) and died in 861 Hijra (1166 AD)". This is in disagreement with your article. Does it refer to a different sect by the same name? WE need more information; this is why I am pressing for reliable sources. (Please add your responses after mine instead of revising your previous ones.) --Adoniscik(t, c) 22:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.   —Ism schism (talk) 15:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Non notable with no Verifiability. Also, per the discussion above, this seems to be an advertisement in the making. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 16:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

please read again i have clearly said that Sayed Mohammad Ameer Shah is the decendent of Hazrat shiekh Abdul Qadir Jilani http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadir_Jelani & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul-Qadir_Gilani. the founder of Qadria order ...Secondly qadria is not a sect its a sufi order http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadri ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadiriyyah as far as the text formating is concerned i do accept i am not good at it that i can correct ...the problem with the data here is that most of the books are in urdu, under translation ....sayed Mohammad Ameer Shah remained the Founding Patron: Syed Mohammad Ameer Shah Qadri Gilani and his son Patron:Syed Noorul Hassnain Gilani that you can confirm from, http://hindko.pk/bod.html... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qadri409 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * 'Delete. So we are discussing "Sayed Mohammad Ameer Shah Qadri Gilani" who happens to be a descendant of Abdul-Qadir Gilani. I see they even have a Web site... I suggest you start a new section under Abdul-Qadir Gilani for his descendants. If you can find enough reliable sources to write at length, we can split it off into a new article. --Adoniscik(t, c) 03:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I realy appreciate your hard work ..very much oblieged and impressed to see your efforts and interest in getting the right information on wikipedia,,, let me mention that the website you have refered gvies information about another Ameer Shah Qadri who passed as mentoined on the site "He died in 1692 A.D (1102 H)     and buried at Hujra Shah Muqeem." He passed in the mughal era as mentioned on the site  " During his stay at Delhi,     Emperor Alamgir came to meet him but he went to toilet before      arrival of Badshah. Alamgir      waited some time and then sent his son to enquire about him. He came back      with this news that Syed Sahib has      disappeared. So Alamgir come back      without any meeting with him. After this incident when his search begun, a      strange thing come in to knowledge of residents of      Delhi that      Syed Muhammad Ameer Gilani was sitting on     Qutab Minar. "

Your suggestion is valauable about starting a subsection on Abdul-Qadir Gilani ..it needs much more time to gvie all the missing links Sayed Muhammad Ameer Shah is the decendent of Shiekh Abdul Qadir Jeelani at 24th generation..

This family belongs to the Hazrat sayed Abdul Razaq who was the son of Hazarat sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani and later on one of his decendent in 1060 Hijra came to Thatha in the sindh province of Pakistan name Hazarat Sayed Abdullah Shah Ashabi http://www.geocities.com/jawedom/memon.htm ...and http://wikimapia.org/6133070/Abdullah_shah_ashabi_tomb .To work out all these links and thier verification from web source might take ages for a person like me. can you guide me that how to put this page in invisible mode for the time being and when we have enough data we should put it online ??? Thanks again for your help .Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qadri409 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You should create a subpage (see also WP:Subpages). Please archive your writing before the article gets deleted. --Adoniscik(t, c) 14:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Here are some more references. Books of Muhammad Amir shah Qadri Gilani are available even in catalogs of Library of Congress http://catalog.loc.gov/ You can search the name "Muhammad Amir shah" and you will easily find out at least following books (names of the books are also in Urdu)


 * 1) 1 Taskirah-yi ḥuffāẓ-i Pishāvar                              http://lccn.loc.gov/sa67003917
 * 1) 2 Tazkirah-yi ʼulamā va mashāʻikh-i sarḥad                    http://lccn.loc.gov/78931081


 * 1) 3 Maʻārif-i G̲h̲aus̲-i Aʻẓam : tarjumah va tashrīh-i Dīvān-i G̲h̲aus   http://lccn.loc.gov/86930708


 * 1) 4 Taz̲kirah-yi Abūlbarakāt Sayyid Ḥasan Ṣāḥīb Qādrī Gīlānī      http://lccn.loc.gov/84930044

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Masyed (talk • contribs)


 * Okay, good. Part of the problem is that this fellow's name seems to have several transliterations. Are there any English sources? --Adoniscik(t, c) 23:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Here are some english sources http://breakingnews.augustachronicle.com/terrorism/stories/092601/926proof.html same interview at another link with graphics http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/09-01/09-27-01/a02wn013.htm Another link to Prof Dr Muhammad Masud Ahmad research work which was translated by Prof. M.A. Qadir(Ex Principal Govt. Degree College, Sukkur, Sindh Pakistan) and is printed by IDARA-I-TAHQEEQAT-E_IMAM AH MED RAZA INTERNATIONAL (25-Japan Mansion, Regal (Raza) Chowk, Saddar Karachi)www.imamahmadraza.net in which he has given references on Page#34 line #26, 27, 33 and on page # 45 line # 03 or 37th Reference in bibliography. http://www.geocities.com/shiz409/MoulviJieReference_DrMasaudThesis.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qadri409 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Also see this link about his demise news where governer of NWFP province condolence is given the source is PPI pakistan(From Pakistan Press International Information Services &COPYRIGHT 2004 Financial Times Ltd. Limited)& Publication: Asia Africa Intelligence Wire								Publication Date: 28-OCT-04 http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-14203089_ITM —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qadri409 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


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