Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hazrat Syed Qalandar Ilm Ali Shah Jilani


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The result was   delete. JForget 00:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Hazrat Syed Qalandar Ilm Ali Shah Jilani

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No reliable sources to support notability other than web site associated with the article creator. Article creator contested a speedy deletion and this was refused as a claim has been made that the subject is a Sufi saint. Google comes up with no RS entries for the subject (Ali Shah Jilani or Gilani). To be fair, the titles Hazrat and Qalandar do imply notability, though there is no indication of who bestowed the honorifics.

I don't think that the editor, who is new to Wikipedia, understands English well, nor what a reliable source is.  Esowteric + Talk  09:56, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The original article was a copypaste of this web page which the article creator claims is the official web site. I flagged the possible copyvio and reworded the lede, and the possible copyvio was removed by the admin who refused the speedy deletion.  Esowteric + Talk  10:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

[Bump] Any more input from editors, please?


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.   Esowteric + Talk  12:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * A google search for Qalandar Ilm Ali pulls up no information other than the one solitary link mentioned above (a religious web site which contains a fawning biography). Someone who is a notable Sufi -- even if he is not a Saint -- would surely at least be mentioned on other Sufi sites.  With no evidence of notability or sainthood, the article should probably be deleted.  --Sarabseth (talk) 13:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Delete. Lack of coverage in published sources. These sorts of names are headaches,
 * because of potential differences in transliteration,
 * because of the frequent addition, omission or transposition of honorifics, and
 * because many individuals use the exact same titles and names.

Looking for the parts of the name where English spelling does not vary, i.e. I cannot find any (English-language) sources that are about this individual born in 1930 in Oman. -- JN 466  13:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:HEY unless sourced. Hipocrite (talk) 19:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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