Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heal Our Land


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The "keep" opinions are unpersasive in terms of Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines.  Sandstein  05:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Heal Our Land

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This CD/Album in not at all notable, obscure Korean singing, not sold in the US, not notable in Korea either Iairsometimes (talk) 22:25, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - In fact, we should keep this page since I was the one who created this page in 2006 and after all these years this page had no problems. Park john u (talk) 13:04, 25 August 2011 (PTZ)
 * Keep - Not only that, but I forgot to mention that this album Heal Our Land is also mentioned on Don Moen's I Will Sing DVD. Park john u (talk) 12:44, 25 August 2011 (PTZ)


 * Keep - Totally agree with user Park john u. Don Moen's greatest hits CD "God Will Make A Way: The Best Of Don Moen" is available everywhere including the US, and that compilation CD contains one song from "Heal Our Land" called All We Like Sheep, which is also mentioned on the booklet of that Best Of Don Moen album. In fact, many Don Moen fans not living in Korea actually know this album that they downloaded MP3 online, so it's very notable to them. This is a must-keep article in Wikipedia as facts outweigh opinions 99.44.57.202 (talk) 12:38, 25 August 2011 (PTZ) Some users may dispute the validity of these !votes, as they are made by anonymous and/or newly registered users and therefore may be sockpuppet !votes. See Sock puppet. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 23:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - This album is very notable as it is on Don Moen discography list despite that it is not available in US and a song All We Like Sheep in the compilation album God Will Make a Way: The Best of Don Moen actually came from the album Heal Our Land. This album is actually notable in Korea as Don Moen is very well known there. Park john u (talk) 11:48, 25 August 2011 (PTZ)
 * Keep - This album is actually notable with many Don Moen fans, according to Don Moen Wikipedia article, plus Amazon.com sells songs from this album 99.44.57.202 (talk) 10:45, 25 August 2011 (PTZ)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  ​—DoRD (talk)​ 23:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Please !vote only once. Subsequent comments can be prefaced with "comment" in bold as I have done here.  I'm on the fence on this one.  In English, I managed to dig up a passing mention here.  However, given that the songs are sung in Korean, and the asserted popularity is in Korea, looking for sources in English doesn't seem to be a good way of searching for sources.  Anybody with some fluency in Korean able to provide sources? -- Whpq (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Only four songs were sung in Korean, but all of the songs in this album were sung in English as well. -- 99.44.57.202 (talk) 16:28, 25 August 2011 (PTZ)

Keep - This album is one of Don Moen his products!! And Don is proud on his products that he has made for the world, for Gods Glory! Just let the album stay! As a fan of Don Moen in Holland, this is notable to me since I have the songs from this album! Harma4J — Harma4J (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment - 99.44.57.202 and Park john u are sockpuppets - the same person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Park_john_u    Their votes should be deleted as sockpuppetry. --Iairsometimes (talk) 06:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Harma4J appears to be a sockpuppets as well. --Iairsometimes (talk) 07:15, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - As a fan of Don Moen in Minnesota, this album is notable to me and has many awesome songs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jansi D (talk • contribs) 03:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete - I can find no significant coverage about this album in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 09:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * KEEP - Heal Our Land is an album of Christian worship music recorded by Don Moen and Paul Wilbur. The Contemporary Christian album was recorded live in Yoido Park in South Korea and released by Integrity Asia in 2000. The album was recorded in support of a unified Korea. This album also features vocalists Lenny LeBlanc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_LeBlanc and Rachel Wilson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harma4J (talk • contribs) 04:28, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - As a fan of Don Moen, this is notable to me in Brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.51.216.37 (talk) 19:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   05:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment: None of the "keep" opinions so far are relevant in terms of our inclusion guidelines.  Sandstein   05:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is a music album. The applicable WP notability guideline is WP:NALBUMS. That guideline requires significant, independent secondary discussion by sources.  Since the album is 11 years old, a notable album of that age should have several good sources.  My research shows only one:   Charisma and Christian life, Volume 15, Issues 6-11, plus several informal blogs/promotional sites.  And even that one source is merely a review, and not a discussion of the impact of the album's influence. --Noleander (talk) 14:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - It looks like there are around 30 separate WP articles on albums from Don Moen (singer). See the full list at Category:Don Moen live albums.  A cursory examination shows that many of them are probably not notable. --Noleander (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: discography - Note that article Don Moen (singer) already contains a full discography, so deleting articles on individual albums would not mean they disappear from WP entirely. --Noleander (talk) 15:01, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Go to God Will Make a Way: The Best of Don Moen compilation album article and you will see that the compilation album contains a song from this live album Heal Our Land. On God Will Make a Way: The Best of Don Moen compilation album article, go see song number 9 and the song titled All We Like Sheep is actually from this album Heal Our Land. Also, if this album Heal Our Land is notable to Harma4J in Holland and another fan in Brazil and a third person in Minnesota, this is internationally notable enough, so it would be meaningless to delete this page. Also go to Don Moen (singer) page and if you see the NOTABLE RECORDINGS section, Heal Our Land is actually one of them. Again, it would be meaningless to remove this page. Facts outweigh opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.167.197 (talk) 22:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - No significant, independent secondary discussions by reliable 3rd party sources.--Cox wasan (talk) 10:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.