Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heartland Baptist Bible College


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. As Arxiloxos says, this College used to be able to grant degrees ('Although the college is approved by the state to issue bachelor's degrees, it has not been fully accredited because most of its teachers are ministers from the community who do not hold graduate degrees that college rating organizations require.') - the consensus here is also in favour of keeping the article. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Heartland Baptist Bible College

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Unaccredited non-degree granting college. Nothing to indicate notability, no coverage in non-trivial, third party sources. 2 says you, says two 04:33, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions.  —Crimsonedge34 (talk) 09:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. No assertion of notability inline with WP:N. &mdash;gorgan_almighty (talk) 10:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. A significant fundamentalist bible college, coverage in both scholarly and news sources. Some of this coverage is under the school's former name, Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College. I've added some info and sources.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —Arxiloxos (talk) 16:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  —Arxiloxos (talk) 16:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep If high schools are de facto notable, I see no reason why this school is not. The RS references check out.  It's never going to be Harvard, but it is verifiable as a real college. Jclemens (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Unaccredited colleges, especially non-degree granting institutions are not automatically assumed notable, they must fulfill WP:ORG as if they were any other group. 2 says you, says two 17:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The sources added recently are more than sufficient to establish notability. ElKevbo (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Unaccredited school which cannot grant academic degrees. Refs do not appear to satisfy WP:ORG. Edison (talk) 17:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The article easily passes WP:RS. Joal Beal (talk) 18:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Having enough reliable sources is a prerequisite for satisfying WP:N but by itself it doesn't mean anything. There are definitely enough sources to prove that the school exists, but very few of the sources listed are actually about the school, many only mention it in passing, this doens't satisfy the significant coverage requirement for WP:N. 2 says you, says two 18:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - Unaccredited school which cannot grant academic degrees. It is not a high school.     talk 01:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarification. For those who think this detail matters, please note that this school did award degrees when it was located in California. Also that the controversy regarding RadioShack CEO David Edmondson arose because he falsely claimed he'd received degrees from this school.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - The diplomas are like "degrees" to the students there, for the credentials are used only within the Independent Baptist or related denominations. The school does not desire accreditation by a state, probably consider such accreditation counter to religious independence. Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Add: The word "unaccredited" means nothing to students at this school. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Whether or not the school desires accreditation, whether the students at the school care that the school is accredited, whether the school provides diplomas that are valid in Baptist churches, etc. is all completely irrelevant to the discussion regarding the notability of this particular school. What we're looking for are multiple, reliable, independent, verifiable sources that show notability.    talk 05:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I've briefly looked over the sources that were added since I last looked, and I still don't think they constitute significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. &mdash;gorgan_almighty (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The fact that a school is not accredited does not make it non-notable, and there are multiple third-party sources here to establish notability. (NB: Your child might someday be assigned a public school teacher who trained at an unaccredited Christian school -- when that happens, wouldn't you want Wikipedia to have an article about it?) --Orlady (talk) 15:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:Arxiloxos. If it granted degrees at some point in its history, then it probably satisfies automatic notability, and regardless, it sounds like it has a few reliable sources in addition. --Zarel (talk&sdot;c) 16:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
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