Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heartwood Institute


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The result was delete. --BDD (talk) 00:11, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Heartwood Institute

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The article fails notability WP:N, verifiability WP:V, and reliable sources WP:RS Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. Searching is complicated because there evidently is another Heartwood Institute, based in Pittsburgh, dedicated to ethics education. (e.g. )  This article is about a massage school in Garberville, California, and while that may at first blush sound likely to be non-notable, focused searches for things like <"Heartwood Institute" massage> or <"Heartwood Institute" Garberville> actually turn up results in GBooks and GNews indicating that the school may have some notability within the massage world.  A lot of those results are paywalled, but here's a recent local newspaper writeup about the place: .  Not an overwhelming case for notability but seems to be worth further investigation, at least. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:17, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * The "new" Heartwood (the one in the newspaper article) is just starting. It might someday become notable if it actually gets off the ground, but the "old" Heartwood that had massage classes, yoga and such is gone.  I too found listings in books and scholar, but they were events listings or mentions in travelogue or travel books.  I don't think that one story in the Garberville paper is really evidence of notability.  That paper needs local content and has been known to write about mating slugs, fallen trees and raccoons in the trashbin; no dizz on any of the above, but they're not particularly notable either.  I came to see the Heartwood page because someone had inserted it in "educational institutions in Humboldt County" which it certainly is not - in either metamorphosis - on the same page as Humboldt State University, local charter schools or the public school districts.  In the old version it was a pay-per-class conference center, and the new version so far has only had a couple of events.  I still don't think it is notable.  I really looked for information on the old hippy-style place, and there really wasn't any.  Also, not a single page in the project links to it, which suggests additional unimportance; even the Garberville page has no link to it or the former owners. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing notable about this "institute". Unreferenced since 2005. Shame on us for letting it stay that long, and thanks to Ellin Beltz for finally catching it. --MelanieN (talk) 01:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 02:17, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete I hoped to improve this article but was unable to find any reliable information about it, so I'm proposing it for deletion because the subject is fails notability WP:N, verifiability WP:V, and reliable sources WP:RS
 * A.) I read and understood the guidelines for deletion.
 * B.) The following checks were done
 * 1.) Article does not meet speedy deletion criteria.
 * 2.) Notability concerns lead to a search for reliable sources:
 * a.) One current reference is to a private website and the other is to the webpage of the place itself.
 * b.) I was unable to find objective evidence of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject.
 * c.) I searched Google and Yahoo for news articles but did not find any news or journal articles about the place other than a few calendar event listings.
 * d.) I searched Google Books and found the same thing that I found on Google Scholar, one e-book but after reading a few pages, I don't think this personal travelogue is a reliable secondary source.
 * 3.) I checked the article's short history and do not see any evidence of vandalism.
 * 4.) The article's talk page is blank except for project templates.
 * 5.) Checking "What links here" returns the result of a disambiguation page which says "Heartwood Institute, a community in California, United States", a redirect from "The Heartwood Institute", and one passing reference on Shiva Ayyadurai to a person who is not listed on the Heartwood Institute page. Nothing links to the talk page.
 * 6.) No luck on interlanguage links either.
 * C.) I don't think this article could be improved because I can't find any more information about the place. The article has had several years and has not grown.
 * D.) The source search is described in 2a, 2b, 2c, and 2d. above

I looked at the talk page of the article's creator and they haven't been active for years, so I am unable to ask them for help finding more information. I do not think there is any other article into which this page could be merged. The "local writeup" mentioned above is from a local newspaper and it is about the new owners of the former Heartwood property who are starting up something completely new. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - a rescue has been attempted but failed. There is no evidence this meets notability generally or as a corporate entity. Bearian (talk) 21:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.