Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heartwork (The Used album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There does not appear to be a serious dispute that this album exists; it may not have been released yet, but has received coverage, likely beyond what is included in the article itself to this date. BD2412 T 03:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Heartwork (The Used album)

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Fails WP:NALBUM and WP:GNG. All current coverage is either linked to the subject (record label or band), is WP:ROUTINE, or does not discuss the album (but discusses that that band is working on music) and so delete and salt until we have enough to meet the criteria. For an analysis of the current sources, see the album's talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 03:23, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - I feel like I’ve seen enough coverage in passing. I’ll do more searching before giving a stance, but this feels like a “WP:TOOSOON redirect” at worse case scenario. Sergecross73   msg me  11:58, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, but the editor who created the article and continues to remove the redirect doesn't seem to understand that. I would be willing to withdraw if we could get a six-week lock on the redirect. Walter Görlitz (talk) 12:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Used per WP:TOOSOON. Aoba47 (talk) 18:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep only if the creating user can find better and more specific news coverage about the album. If not, then redirect to The Used.  Ss  112   21:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * But that's the point, as of now, there are none. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm seeing several sources from a Google search that are not used on the article itself; for example, another Kerrang! article, another Loudwire article. These might be repeating content already on the article, but from this I really doubt all news sources have been looked at by any editor, including the creating editor, as yet.  Ss  112   22:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 00:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - There is little dispute that this album will be released on April 24, and I must point out that relisting this AfD wears away the relevance of the "too soon" votes. The album's release has been confirmed in three different Loudwire articles, , , and here are some more sources with details about the album's content and even pre-reviews of some songs: , , . I see little harm to Wikipedia in allowing this article to remain for another 7 weeks until its incontrovertible release date, as long as someone follows up later and adds reviews as they come in. As for the current state of the article, I'm seeing undue dismissal of the WP:NEXIST standard in the discussion above. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not denying that they exist today. Look at the talk page. as that was the state of the sources at the time. Also, while sources may exist, most are either not reliable or are ROUTINE. The real problem is that we have too many fandals creating articles for works before they're notable. Many do become notable at some point, but we don't monitor for this adequately. We need to quickly move articles that are TOOSOON to the bin to avoid this. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with that logic if a newly-announced album has a vague release date months or years in the future (a problem in rap/R&B that I have discussed several times over at the Albums Project). But this album is solidly confirmed and has reliable media coverage of its obvious near-future existence and the specific content therein. Your statement on the "need" to move such articles to the bin is opinion only. The same is true for your "fandals" statement. For an album such as this, extra work is created for an Admin in deleting the article, and then a few weeks later there will be even more work for an Admin when someone requests that the album article be released from deletion purgatory. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * First, don't "fix" my responses. The indenting was correct using bullets. The album is not solidly confirmed. All we know is that it will be released an that it has songs. We have some sources about the songs. As for admins, you've missed the discussion. It was a redirect but an editor who has not participated here continued to restore it assuming that the brief mentions (that you too seem to think are substantial, going so far as accusing me of not reading all the way to the bottom of short articles) constitute significant coverage. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not interested in arguing with you point by point and am only trying to add my impressions to the consensus process. We have different opinions on significant coverage and whether it is too soon for this album to have an article. So be it. If consensus does not turn out to your liking, or mine, neither one of us ever has to look at the article again. And thank you for fixing my use of bullets even though I did not ask you to do so. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 20:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Nor am I interested in arguing with you. We need to nip articles that created with the hopes that the album will be notable some day from being created prematurely. We only allow the creation of articles in mainspace that are notable now. Draft space may be used for the rest. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per WP:PRETTYSOON, which I admit does not actually exist. This article has cover art, a release date, a track listing and credits, all sourced. This is clearly an album that will be out pretty soon, and the fact that the AfD has been relisted twice means that it's now even sooner than it was when this discussion started. Deleting it and then re-creating it five weeks later is a waste of time, and so is arguing about it. -- Toughpigs (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify to be restored "pretty soon". WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL etc. Maybe it won't get released, maybe it won't get any coverage. We are not here to promote stuff that doesn't exist yet. Or if you think we should, please show how it meets NMUSIC, or other policies. Which can of course be changed if new consensus is that such articles are ok. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree with a draft. Maybe a lot of things (who know what's happening with the economy or virus containment). It is TOOSOON. And again, to an admin, close this soon. It's carried on too long. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify Previously, I'd adopted a pragmatic approach, to avoid the work of deleting an article that is likely to be restored in a couple of weeks. But I've flipped my vote based on Piotr Konieczny's arguments. Either way, can an admin please stop this AfD dragging out any further? Weak keep As per Toughpigs. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 02:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv  Talk, Remember to "ping" me 05:29, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Toughpigs. Cover art and track listing are strong indications that a body of work will be released. I'm confident that more reliable source will become available in the upcoming weeks. If the album didn't have a release date, cover art and track list, I'd have #voted for delete.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 14:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per Toughpigs and Doomsdayer520. Though it's simply WP:PRETTYSOON, it has indicated a track list and release date. Sources will be available before and after its release. Who knows? Therefore, the article is close to passing WP:GNG. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 05:44, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I just want to remind everyone who has sided with keep despite a currently complete lack of sources that this is not now how create articles on Wikipedia. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


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