Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heather Hogan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. As a note unrelated to the close, please note that the biography is a copyvio, as the text of the biographical information was present in IMDB as early as November 2005, according to the Wayback Machine. j⚛e deckertalk 05:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Heather Hogan

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Notability not shown with any sources, let alone the WP:SECONDARY ones required by WP:BASIC. Binksternet (talk) 05:28, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep: The nominator seems to quickly want this article deleted instead of letting other users find more sources on this actress and lacking patience. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 06:28, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I would be happy to see this biography improved to the point of it meeting Wikipedia's guidelines. Your 'keep' vote has no policy basis. Binksternet (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete: As the nom indicates there is nothing to suggest notability here and no sourcing. Then there is the troubling fact that Heather Hogan is a carbon copy of the mini-bio at IMDb and that Heather Hogan, aside from part of "Other notes", replicats the IMDb "Actress" filmography . The likely copyvio of the bio is not good. I say "likely" since we don't know exatly when IMDb's section went up, but it's better to err on the side of caution that we didn't get there first. And yes, a filmography is going to look similar, but the near replication of the IMDb list in full and the copyvio makes more than a simple list suspect. - J Greb (talk) 15:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * KEEP Clearly passes WP:ENTERTAINER for having significant roles in notable things. Ducky is a main character in the Land Before Time films he did, plus other things stand out if you look at his bio.   D r e a m Focus  02:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You mean the section that is going to get turfed as COPYVIO? - J Greb (talk) 06:26, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We're here to discuss the notability of the person for an article, not the article's content. I don't see it as a copyvio at all.  The information was changed.  You compile a list like this anywhere, listing the year, the series, and their roll in it, it'll look similar to other list.   D r e a m Focus  06:50, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Points of clarification: 1) The "Bio" section is a direct lift from IMDb. It goes even if the filmography stays. 2) While the filmography, name, and profession of "Actress" can be supported from the show and film credits, nothing else has any supporting information aside from the text copied from IMDb. And that assuming IMDb is correct. 3) An AfD can look at the totality of an article, not just the points the nom raises. If there are additional content or policy issues, they get dealt with. Now, are there other sources for that information, or is it going to get pulled via BLP at the same time the copyvio gets yanked? If the non-list section goes, is the list of credits sufficient to meet all relevant Notability standards? At this point, without the issues other than Notability being fixed, the Article content amounts to:   "Heather Hogan is a voice actress who took over the role of Ducky, one of the main characters in animated film franchise The Land Before Time,  for the second, third, and fourth installments. She has also voiced secondary or minor characters in a few animated films and televisions series  while concentrating on voice work in the video game industry."  Which makes for a slim article at best, even with the full filmography. - J Greb (talk) 07:53, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It would just be redone in a different way. The size of the article is not relevant anyway.  The information is confirmed in the credits of the things she has been part of.  She also list things on her official website    D r e a m Focus  10:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note, if the list was a direct copy it'd have the same information. Here she is listed as being in Lunar: Silver Star Harmony in 2010, but no mention of that there.  Instead IMDb list her doing Lunar: Silver Star Story Touch in 2012.  Her website resume doesn't list either of these, she not considering it notable enough to mention at all apparently.  That and other differences convince me it is not a copy violation.  Also I checked the history, and the list as it is now was added over time starting in February of 2006  and just bits and pieces added over time.   D r e a m Focus  10:54, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:ENTERTAINER. VMS Mosaic (talk) 12:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 22:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - if we want to be anywhere near consistent, this unsourced BLP must be deleted. Bearian (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as per, searched 11 SERP pages, not much there, although possible problems could be that there are different Heather Hogans (writer, etc). I am willing to change my vote based on new information but at present I do not think this subject meets the GNG.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.