Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heckling of comedians


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 10:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Heckling of comedians

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Completely unreferenced. Most of article consists of random examples of comedians responding to heckling, and a large percentage of them merely state that a particular response to heckling happened at some point. If we cut all of those, I'm still not sure what's left is worth saving. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 20:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete this tosh, possible redirect to heckling afterwards. Guy (Help!) 21:19, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete G10. Page contains seriously negative information attributed to living persons without attribution. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 23:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The topic itself is notable and, since learning how to deal with hecklers is an important part of stand-up comedy.  Not surprisingly, the article dates from 2004 when sourcing was considered silly and Wikipedia was gathering around the bonfire and singing and clapping.  As Flankspeed points out, this does run the problem with WP:BLP issues.  Perhaps it can survive the transition to version 20.10 Wikipedia. Mandsford 00:59, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, my user name is Bushranger. 'Flank speed' links to pages I've created. :) - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 01:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, T-B-R.  In edit mode, I got mixed up.  Mandsford 03:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm seeing that the page was created in 2009. What were you referring to by 2004, the original list creation in the article? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE --Confession0791 talk 04:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Which of the criteria of WP:INDISCRIMINATE? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete This article was created by a sockpuppet of User:Tinpac, that and unsourced.  Rusted AutoParts  (talk) 14:12 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Random collection of incidents EEng (talk) 02:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep/merge Merging into heckle might be sensible but mostly the topic just needs more work, per our editing policy. A good test of a topic's potential is to check Google scholar.  In this case, one immediately turns up an article in the journal Nature.  Has this been considered yet?  Until a proper source search is made, the topic should remain open.  For one thing, it is entertaining and this is no bad thing.  I shall tag it for rescue so at least the ARS and its followers get an opportunity to read it.  Colonel Warden (talk) 12:32, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NOTE. I was skeptic initially. The article basically looks like a list of examples, which is really bad. However at this stage it appears the article has some references. The topic enjoys a coverage by third party sources. Some even classify subtypes like heckling of woman comedians, see here, for instance. More sources are definitely would only improve the quality. There is a lot of room for improvement generally. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 17:52, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Where to begin? First, the content of the article is not what the title suggests. The article is about comedians responding to hecklers, not heckling of comedians. Second, every single entry needs to be sourced or deleted. There is fictional heckling, actual heckling, comic strip heckling, and in effect is really just a long how-to article for responding to heckling. There is nothing much here worth keeping for an actual article about heckling itself.  Jim Miller  See me 19:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This article was already published as chapter in a book, so maybe we could do a self-reference paradox here ;). Seriously though the topic is discussed to a significant degree by independent sources, see User:Mandsford provided links above for instance. Naturally this article is leaning towards how comedians handle hecklers though. WP:CK is somehow relevant on deletion point as long as there is no WP:BLP problem. Fully agree, much more work is needed though Wikipedia is definitely a moving target. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 21:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete it should be presented as an encyclopaedic topic not a random list of heckles involving famous people. someone has said "For one thing, it is entertaining and this is no bad thing." WP:NOHARM and WP:ILIKEIT are not valid reasons. LibStar (talk) 13:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: poorly-sourced WP:QUOTEFARM. Would appear to violate both WP:BLP & WP:IINFO. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 15:18, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for rescue by the Article Rescue Squadron.  Snotty Wong   comment 17:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SNOW. Content fork full of OR.  Redirect to Heckler might be appropriate (not Heckling, which is a disambig).  Snotty Wong   comment 17:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Google news archive search shows ample coverage of cases where comedians deal with hecklers. .  D r e a m Focus  16:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But the page is not Comedians' responses to hecklers, it's Heckling of comedians. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is getting silly. There's also abundant coverage of bar fights involving knives.  Actually, bar fights and heckling of comedians might actually deserve articles, 'if' there's anything written about them other than scattered news coverage or fragmentary reminscences of comedians, which there does not appear to be on the evidence.   If there are no reliable sources saying something worth repeating, an article isn't possible even if the topic is conceivably notable.  EEng (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Heckler, where the relevant information in this article is already covered, and more can be added should it come to light. There is no need for a massive list of uncited examples. pablo 11:20, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.