Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hector Turnbull (businessman)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus to delete, default to keep. lifebaka++ 18:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Hector Turnbull (businessman)

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No notability is established regarding the subject, who appears to be a regular businessman. Claims are made about the industry he was involved in, but no content establishes the notability of the man himself. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 00:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. No indication of why this person meets Wikipedia notability criteria. --Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 00:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lack of reliable sources. Eventually notable, but without reliable sources, it can not be kept-- Rirunmot (talk) 11:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions.  —Mais oui! (talk) 15:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I would ask that this article should be kept because:
 * 1. Notability. There is clear evidence in the referenced book Perth Entrepreneurs: the Sandemans of Springfield to the importance of this person in the industry of bleachfields. May I suggest that you consult the book.


 * 2. Industry importance. Linen manufacture and the enormous bleachfields needed for bleaching the linen were the second most important industries of Scotland at that time (see the book again). Duncanogi (talk) 09:33, 12 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duncanogi (talk • contribs) 21:48, 11 February 2011


 * I repeat that Turnbull was a leader in the then second-most important industry in Scotland as stated in the cited reference. Wikipedia includes hundreds of sportsmen, local politicians, and those involved in minor industries who have had far less impact on their COUNTRIES. Duncanogi (talk) 22:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * May I suggest that before you write more comments that you consult the authoritative work on the bleachfield and linen industry published 2008 by the Perth and Kinross Council ISBN 978-0-905452-52-4 Perth Entrepreneurs: the Sandemans of Springfield. Duncanogi (talk) 22:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * As a relative of the subject of the article, and a someone who is creating multiple articles about your family members regardless of whether they are notable or not, I don't think your comments can be considered objectively. --Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 22:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Simple Bob for your reasonable comments. However, I have studied the importance of the bleachfield industry and its importance to Scotland and would appreciate others to add to that in Wikipedia -- including adding information about such leaders in that industry.Duncanogi (talk) 09:33, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The reference to sportspeople etc. is basically "Other things exist, so why shouldn't this one?" There is an established Wikipedia policy on this topic, Duncan. Click here --> WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS <-- Click here. It's getting tiring dealing with you, as you just don't seem to listen to explanations of how Wikipedia works. Don't worry though, I'll be right here to clean up your messes. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 01:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please Simon-in-sagamihara, stop "dealing with me" -- I am someone who has put considerable time in loading information that I happen to know about into Wikipedia. Please as I suggest consult the book cited to see that this man was the major employer (with his partner) in Scotland's then second-most-important industry, an important bit of history -- many businessmen of the 20th century are identified copiously in Wikipedia for less nationally-important industries. I do not accept that a phrase such as your "I'll be right here to clean up your messes" is acceptable in Wikipedia.'''Duncanogi (talk) 18:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Duncan, you don't know Wikipedia's purpose, the criteria used for inclusion, the copyright issues involved with files, how to follow a deletion discussion and a partridge in a pear tree, and you refuse to listen to anyone who tries to help you. So basically I don't give a stuff how much time you put into Wikipedia, or how so put off you are, or how butthurt you're getting because experienced editors keep having to fix your mistakes. As long as you continue to cause problems, I'm going to be here to fix them. And if that means you start weeping and take your bat and ball and go home, then so be it. Look, I understand. You've been working for decades in a job where you got to tell the young'uns "jump" and their answer was always "How high, Mr Ogilvie?" You're used to having your own way and not having people second-guess you or point out your faults. That's fine. But you have to understand that the rest of the world doesn't work the same way. Just because you worked on IBM mainframes, that doesn't mean you're automatically God High Himself of the Internet. It doesn't mean you get to condescend to people who have the temerity to address your copyright-violating uploads, policy-violating edits and procedure-violating comments. Basically, it doesn't mean anything. Please, go spend a few days reading over the Wikipedia policies -- don't worry, they're safe, I didn't write them! -- and try to learn about how this place works, instead of assuming you already know the ins and outs of the place. Because you've got a talk page a mile long with copyright violations and deletion notices, so obviously something is wrong in the mind of Duncan. PS: As you've failed to notice, you don't write Keep before every comment you make on this page! Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 01:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Unacceptable words:   "messes, give a stuff, weeping, go home, jump, God, condescending, mind of who"  . Unacceptable in public and particulary in Wikipedia. This is a warning to you Simon-in-sagamihara.Duncanogi (talk) 09:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fellow editors, I realise I have lost my cool and am guilty of feeding the trolls. I shall make no further attempt to engage and will focus on content instead. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 13:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys - can we all calm down and take a deep breath!  Brookie :) - he's in the building somewhere!  (Whisper...) 13:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * May I suggest please Simon-in-sagamihara that no-one should disparagingly use the word   "troll"   of someone else — in Wikipedia or elsewhere. I do not like to be called a   "troll"   or dwarf.Duncanogi (talk) 17:53, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fascinating to me as a part of Perthshire history but no claim of notability. If Duncanogi (or others) could show why this person in particular was notable rather than basing notability on participation in an industry that the article authors believe to be notable then it could be keepable. MLA (talk) 21:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * May I politely comment that the industry  was  notable in Scotland -- the second-most-important industry. Wikipedia can usefully report past important industries such as match or nail making, steam engines, candle making, spinning machine development etc etc which were key in those days.Duncanogi (talk) 18:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * May I politely respond that this deletion discussion is about the article on Hector Turnbull and not the article on the industry. The industry being notable does not mean that each person in that industry is automatically notable. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 21:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. This article needs serious re-write and the minor details should be removed. More references required and more details required by the article writer. The claims above shows some sort of faciantion, but thats not enough. Consider re writing, re referencing and live link should be there or online book link etc. Other-wise consider *Delete.--Its019 (talk) 05:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added a number of additional references as requested. Quite difficult!!Duncanogi (talk) 16:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Also divide the article in paragraphs and in between the lines referencing required.--Its019 (talk) 00:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * commentI have seen reference links but you do not have too many live links. ITS Fine that you have book references but difficult to match. If you like links to journals or study work like pdf files then please add it.


 * Keep. There is room for this and I learned something  Brookie :) - he's in the building somewhere!  (Whisper...) 11:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.