Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heidelberg University Faculty of Philosophy and History


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. No indication has been provided that there is enough source material available to sustain a full article on this subject. The arguments to keep are more saying that it should be notable, and very thin on demonstrating that it in fact is. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Heidelberg University Faculty of Philosophy and History

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"cited" only to the unitersity's website. search turns up nothing. ltbdl (talk) 14:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education and Germany. ltbdl (talk) 14:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:37, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete and check navbox for others - This is nothing more than a 2008 German language copy and paste of the German-language online dept list of the university. No individual faculty members listed. Even if this article listed faculty members, they surely would have changed in the last 15 years. The University of Heidelberg navbox does show other Wikipedia articles for the depts etc., but they also look to have no, or little, sourcing. Maybe they all need to be tagged. — Maile (talk) 03:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and stubify. Your "search" is terrible if it turns up nothing. Heidelberg has had a philosophy faculty for centuries (Hegel taught there!) And it was for a long time the most important faculty in that university.Jahaza (talk) 04:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @jahaza: then what sources did you find? ltbdl (talk) 06:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * oh, and:
 * Heidelberg has had a philosophy faculty for centuries (Hegel taught there!)
 * "it's old!" is not a valid argument.
 * And it was for a long time the most important faculty in that university.
 * citation needed. ltbdl (talk) 06:11, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * When something is centuries old, it should suggest to you that your search method is bad if you literally turn up no sources as you allege. Jahaza (talk) 06:13, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * do you have sources? ltbdl (talk) 06:15, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @jahaza: Again, can you provide those sources? In English? This is a copy and paste from a German-language institution.  Where are the sources?  Are they in English, so that any viewer will know it is a source, and what the source actually says? — Maile  (talk) 11:13, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep, probably ok to drop most of the subheadings and convert to a stub. Perusing a few pages of Google Books results, I'm quite satisfied this school meets WP:GNG. These sources I've listed are in English, but I do want to note for purposes of the ongoing discussion, we do not require sources to be in English. Here's some of what I've found so far:
 * Some SIGCOV of the history of the school (several of the search results within this book are for this specific school, but not all)
 * Covers a bit of history and seemingly some courses taught by Max Weber, with some possible pointers to other sources
 * Some history
 * A bit of history Hegel's work in the specific school
 * &mdash;siro&chi;o 05:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Siroxo, I appreciate your effort but you're clutching at straws. No one denies Kant was there, but his notability does not equate to notability for the school. A footnote about Max Weber, a comment on the number of Jewish professors, and a paragraph in a journal from 1838 do not add up to significant discussion of the faculty/department to the point where we can consider them notable in their own right. Drmies (talk) 12:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am not seeing why this department would be notable. Drmies (talk) 12:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Are we going to go through and review all of the faculties then? I perused a few more and they are mostly all of the same quality, with a couple exceptions like Heidelberg University Faculty of Law. This case will set precedent for the rest so they should all be considered in my opinion to avoid discrepancies. - Indefensible (talk) 19:01, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't generally like this categorical approach to deletion, especially for centuries-old topics related to regions without English as a primary language. It takes time to find the sources, but they quite clearly exist for this one. If I found what I did above in English in less than 30 minutes, which I do think demonstrates GNG, a German speaker more familiar with the topic could find much more with a little more time. &mdash;siro&chi;o 19:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly I lean towards disagreeing with you in this case, the article quality is pretty bad and the references feel like a stretch as Drmies wrote. Contrary to what you argued, there is also no dedicated German article on the native language wiki, so I am more inclined to follow their lead and clear them for most of the faculties here in English as well. - Indefensible (talk) 22:53, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect per above. I would recommend the same for most of the other faculties there for clean up, I guess they can be nominated in turn. - Indefensible (talk) 15:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as clear notability is shown. Yes the article needs expansion but this cannot happen if the article is deleted. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes the article needs expansion but this cannot happen if the article is deleted
 * you can. just recreate the article; you can ask for a copy of the deleted article from the deleting admin, if you so wish. ltb d l (talk) 00:43, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, ltbdl, that's not true, articles recreated after an AFD are tagged CSD G4 if substantially identical to the deleted article. Liz Read! Talk! 23:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * what i meant was you can retrieve a copy and improve it in user or draftspace. ltb d l (talk) 03:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: So far the keep argument is more by hope and wishes than by evidence of sources, except one user whose sources have been refuted. Would like a chance to better consider sources before we close. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails GNG and NORG. Notability is not inherited and the case for notability above seems to rest on previous faculties, not this current subject. BEFORE showed nothing that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Ping me if sources are found with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly (not defunct departments consolidated into the current subject) and indepth (not just a mention). If only they had a football club for one season, then they would easily pass.  // Timothy :: talk  20:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 10:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


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