Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heinz Gropp


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The result was redirect to List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (G).  MBisanz  talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Heinz Gropp

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Notability: an unremarkable SS First Lieutenant, whose article contains virtually no content that would be expected in a balanced biography, resulting in a WP:DIRECTORY listing. Significant RS coverage cannot be found. The article is part of roughly 500 articles created by editor Jim Sweeney (now retired) in the span of a few months in late 2008 - early 2009, and has not been improved since. The subject does not have a de.wiki article.

The topic of the notability of Knight's Cross winners has been extensively discussed here: Notability in Knight's Cross Holder Articles; the summary in this subsection (Part 3). There's currently no consensus that a single award of the Knight's Cross meets SOLDIER1 due to the facts that not all were awarded for valour, and that too many were awarded (over 7,000).

Current AfDs for German WWII Knight's Cross winners can be found at as part of the aforementioned discussion. This article does not meet the low bar of WP:Soldier for WWII Germany, as the award is questionable, however, PROD has been declined on the grounds that this needs AfD. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete Without proof of the Iron Cross award, the subject otherwise doesn't meet notability criteria. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 19:12, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Re-direct to appropriate list, IF there is one which covers those awarded the Knight's Cross where it either cannot be confirmed or was an award not officially approved; and if no such list exists (I know it has been discussed), then delete accordingly as not meeting notability criteria. Kierzek (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment -- such list does not exist. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (G) which documents the uncertain nature of the award. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:42, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. There seems to be more information about the question whether Gropp actually received the Knight's Cross than about Gropp himself. That kind of controversy does not generate notability, though.--Assayer (talk) 23:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable SS officer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:34, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete no proof of award, in addition to the fact that the references don't establish notability per GNG. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete (1) This award was made too often to provide a worthwhile category. (2) The "awards" is more likely to be a citation for an award that was never formally approved, as the war ended so soon after.  For the rest he is completely NN.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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