Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helene Demuth


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No prejudice against anyone starting a merge discussion on the talk page if they feel it's appropriate; but there seems to be a solid consensus to keep this content in some form. ~ mazca  talk 22:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Helene Demuth

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Delete Karl Marx's housekeeper - while it might be intersting that the founder of socialism exploited the working class in such a manner - perhaps even fathering her child - notability is not inherited nor does it rub off from one's employers. Any thing about her that is relevant to Marx should be in Marx's bio. Fails WP:BIO. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 21:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep (edit conflict) A quick Google search for "Helene Demuth" Marx and and "Lenchen" Marx offer us sufficient room for improvement. The detailed story could be useful for the readers. Just my opinion. --Vejvančický (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Google books result here. --Vejvančický (talk) 21:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence that there is adequate information to write a complete and well balance account of her life. The information is better included on Marx's article if it is included at all. The current article has significant undue weight problems since it emphasises rumors and lacks other information. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 14:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge. Her son Freddy being Marx's child seems to be more than rumour, it was confirmed by Engels on his death bed. She only gets a line in Karl Marx at the moment. Fences  &amp;  Windows  23:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep or merge Adequate refs to establish that she has had "significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources."Edison (talk) 04:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep  in agreement with Edison's note.Rumors and lacks other information don't contrast with Notability Rirunmot (talk) 16:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I think it is more than a case of notability rubbing 'off from one's employers' she bore the child of either Engels or Marx (controversy) as well as being Marx's housekeeper and then head of Engel's household. Such a major relationship with two of the top 5 historical figures of international communism (and we have articles on wikipedia editors who have made the news for one event and storms that nobody has ever seen). Polargeo (talk) 20:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.