Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helga Meyer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 02:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Helga Meyer

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Does not appear to meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Her daughter is WP:NOTABLE but WP:Notability is not inherited. Boleyn (talk) 17:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The article was created in 2004-and this is the first time someone has questioned notability-the article provides information about a well-known celebrity, who often talks about her mother in interviews, considering her mother died youngish. Mrs. Meyer was a performer in her own right as well, it's not like she was a housewife. Therefore WP:Notability is not inherited is debunked. Bullock has stated she started performing, singing and being on tour with her mother [] it says here [] that her mother was a resident singer at Staatstheater Nürnberg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HesioneHushabye (talk • contribs) 11:29, 19 August 2014‎


 * Delete. Fails WP:MUSICBIO as a singer, which is her only possible claim to notability. According to this, she sang at Salzburg once in 1977, and who even knows what role she sang? (BTW, that little blurb about her is all over the web.) If she sang somewhere else, I can't find it.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep – She may not have been part of the A List among opera singers, but her name turns up almost every time her daughter is mentioned in German newspapers and magazines. Many English publications do likewise. Deleting this article would create an unnecessary gap in Wikipedia; see Wikipedia is comprehensive -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment If her name turns up regularly in connection only with her daughter, then the info should be in Sandra Bullock, and I wouldn't object to a merge there. But clearly not independently notable. Boleyn (talk) 07:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - I think there is enough for Helga to have her own stub article, versus merging into Sandra's article, for more comprehensive insight. There is clearly a public interest in knowing about her. She was in her height it seems in Europe in the 70s, which is why your're not going to find specific info on her career from a normal Google search. HesioneHushabye (talk) 18:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Keep. Meets WP:NOTABLE. Harrison2014 (talk) 17:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This account was created on August 23, 2014, and with one minor exception, has done nothing but vote at various AfDs.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:43, 26 August 2014 (UTC)




 * Delete per nom. No significant independent coverage, and notability is not inherited, not even from two daughters. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete All of the references are about Sandra Bullock, not Helga. This could be kept only if there were references about Helga herself. One comment suggests that there are references from Germany that do not appear here, but there is no entry in the German language wiki (which, by the way, is much stricter about notability than the @en wiki). If she is known in Germany, than the @de wiki would be the appropriate place for an article. LaMona (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of independent notability. It doesn't help in searching for sources that there's a more notable opera singer and teacher with almost the same name (and no article here), Helga Meyer-Wagner. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Everything is in light of her daughter. Even the German press doesn't report on her, but on Bullock and then happily talks about the German connection, and they're not even in serious periodicals that cover opera. Her most notable claim in the article is that she was in a "featured role" in Salzburg, but the source barely mentions Salzburg in passing, doesn't say what role, or when she appeared there. Are we that desperate for articles that we should keep one about an opera singer and her show dog? Such trivia is usually reserved for silly celeb articles. This is an article about a non-notable, minor singer with a famous daughter.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:45, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment the page averages 200 views a day and has been on Wikipedia since 2004. Even if it's hard to find a source devoted clearly to Helga, she also has been deceased for a decade and was at her height in Germany in the 70s so there is a reason for that. many, many, actors/singers who have less claim to notability have stub articles on Wiki. There are dozens of articles where Helga is mentioned even if she is not the headline. HesioneHushabye (talk) 03:29, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect the name to the relevant section of Sandra Bullock. Meyer has zero independent notability and the article is just a bunch of vague padding which cannot disguise this. I've checked the archives of the Salzburg Festival and there is no mention of her. Nor can I can I find any other coverage of her as an opera singer. Normally in cases like this where specific roles and productions are not mentioned (as in the vague assertions in the news coverage of Bullock), it's because they were very minor. The 1970s is not too long ago to be able to find reviews, etc. if indeed she had sung leading roles in leading opera houses and festivals or appeared on any recordings. She doesn't pass WP:MUSICBIO and she doesn't pass WP:GNG either. Voceditenore (talk) 15:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: support all the arguments for delete, especially Voceditenore's idea to re-direct to Bullock article. Viva-Verdi (talk) 17:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 07:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Close as delete- if the discussion has been relisted once to get a consensus, and you subsequently get five well-argued unanimous delete opinions, then clearly consensus has been established. This should have been closed as delete instead of being relisted again. Reyk  YO!  07:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Close as delete: Agree with Reyk above.  Consensus clearly established to delete. Viva-Verdi (talk) 15:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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