Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helga Pataki


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Again adding info because it was requested. Apart from the nom, there's no !vote to delete. Merging or re-directing is an editorial discussion that does not require an AfD. There is consensus that the material should be kept, where it lives can be decided outside this AfD. TravellingCari 23:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Helga Pataki

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This character does not establish notability independent of its series through the inclusion of real world information from reliable, third party sources. Most of the information is made up of original research and unnecessary plot details. There is no current assertion for future improvement. TTN (talk) 01:23, 27 October 2008
 * Keep apparently referenceable, since one ref has been already added, from G Books--hardly an obscure source. And, what is the meaning of :no current assertion for future improvement"? "no likelihood of improvement", perhaps--but how can one tell if one does not look for references in the obvious places. DGG (talk) 04:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no indication that this specific character is independently notable, and therefore no reason to split from List of Hey Arnold! characters. I suggest that this article be merged there, with the list fleshed out and minor characters removed from the list. I also suggest that every other character in Category:Hey Arnold! characters which has no explicit notability be merged as well. Should my suggestion not be in accordance with the final consensus in this discussion, and the article is kept standalone, I note three FU images in this article, none of which "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic", and should all be removed. seresin ( ¡? )  06:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Merge to List of Hey Arnold! characters. I'm not sure what is meant by asserting that this is significant coverage of the subject.  It isn't.  Here as some possible places to look, but my suspicion is that shallow reviews of the show don't result in significant coverage of the players. Protonk (talk) 06:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - size of parent article suggests having anything rather than a list would make it huge, and as it is a fairly central character of the show I suspect there will be more refs as per the one found plus other similar. I am sure there will be media-related periodicals which have information on individual characters in a show such as this. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * NOTE: This debate is included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. ApprenticeFan (talk) 09:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is a major character on Hey Arnold!, a notable show. Everything else is a cleanup issue. --Pixelface (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please explain which part of the notability guideline gives credence to your argument. seresin ( ¡? )  00:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, according to fanfiction.net statistics Helga Pataki is the most popular character of the most popular show of Nickelodeon. If she's to be deleted then all the fictional characters are to be deleted. And I honestly have no idea how to differentiate original research from stating the facts obvious for everyone who has watched the show. — Hellerick (talk) 14:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article needs cleanup, yes, but that is not what AfD is for. &mdash; neuro(talk) 17:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please actually address one of the issues for deletion, such as its OR, lack of notability or violation of WP:NOT. seresin ( ¡? )  00:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge. The article needs cleanup with a chainsaw. Nothing here is sourced or sourceable; at best this belongs as an entry on a list. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 01:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a good article. It just needs to be refined a little. --Bluecatcinema (talk) 09:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please provide any justification for your argument other than "it's a good article". seresin ( ¡? )  00:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't try to rationalize your opinion yourself, so you can't expect from others to act otherwise. — Hellerick (talk) 15:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - plenty of good sources are out there to verify that this character is WP:POpular or notable. Now, it has the makings of a good article - images, length, some cites, but it needs a lot more to get there. See above for examples. Bearian (talk) 20:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to List of Hey Arnold! characters. I can see only unsourced plot and original research (WP:RS, WP:NOT, WP:OR), no evidence of WP:NOTABILITY. The LoC can give much better WP:WEIGHT to this character. – sgeureka t•c 20:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep -for me to vote otherwise on an article I roiginated would be like Obama voting for McCain at the elections! "Antonio Kiss my...Martin" 3:56, November 1, 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.