Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helix Fossil (Twitch Plays Pokémon)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Twitch Plays Pokemon. The consensus is abundantly clear that this should be either a delete or a merge. In general, if there's a reasonable merge target, that's preferable to a straight delete, but it's not 100% clear what the right merge target is. As near as I can make out (and I admit I'm at a disadvantage here because of my near total lack of familiarity with the Pokemon universe), what makes sense is:


 * Merge any appropriate content from here into Twitch Plays Pokemon. Somebody who is a Pokemon expert will need to make the call on what's appropriate.


 * Move the redirect target of Helix Fossil to point to Twitch Plays Pokemon.


 * Delete Helix Fossil (Twitch Plays Pokémon). No need to turn that into a redirect since it's not a plausible search term.  I assume that if somebody is looking for information on this topic, "helix fossil" is what they would type into a search box.

At least that's my take as an unbiased (and Pokemon-ignorant) observer of the debate.

PS: I really love the comment, WIKIPEDIA WILL NOT CENSOR THE HELIX FOSSIL!. Not policy based, but from the heart, which counts for something.

-- RoySmith (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Helix Fossil (Twitch Plays Pokémon)

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Not suitable for an article on its own, and too specific to be a good redirect Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:46, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  23:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect - all the content here is already in Twitch Plays Pokémon (it seems), and there is no point in having a separate article. Chris857 (talk) 01:22, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect — the adherents of the new Twitch Plays Pokemon religions will have to significantly increase their numbers before they meet the general notability guidelines. For such a new topic, Twitch Plays Pokemon is best left centralized on a single page for the time being.AioftheStorm (talk) 02:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect - (W/ Helix Fossil) Potentially to something on the Pokémon article or the Pokémon Red and Blue article.  This doesn't meet notability as a standalone, but it might be as a section  --Super Goku V (talk) 20:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The Helix Fossil god actually originates from Twitch Plays Pokémon, so it should go to that article. I suppose I should've specified in my comment where I thought it should be redirected.AioftheStorm (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect per above. While the Helix Fossil religion is mentioned in articles, it's done briefly in relation to the game as a whole. Most of the articles mention it as an example of the type of chaos and jokes that have come about from the whole experience, so there's really not much to show how it's independently notable of the TpP as a whole. If it does eventually get more coverage and notice, we can always re-create it. Right now it's just too soon. Tokyogirl79  (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:24, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about it and a section on the Helix Fossil and the other fossil would probably be a helpful addition to the TpP entry. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect clearly not notable on its own. JDDJS (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - not appropriate for its own article, and too specific for a redirect in my opinion.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail 17:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge - Meets the the criteria for having potential (WP:HASPOT) and since the event is on-going, more information is developing. There is a lot more content that has evolved (pun intended) from the meta of the gameplay which can be included here, fleshing this entry out into a better article. If it cannot exist on its own, merge it into the parent article for Twitch Plays Pokemon. Wkavan02 (talk) 20:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Possible search term and redirects are cheap. The fossil doesn't have dedicated coverage—it's always reported within TPP's scope and not on its own. Build it in the TPP article summary style. There's nothing to merge since the article cites no sources. Eye close font awesome.svg czar  ♔  00:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.   czar  ♔  00:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Move to just Helix Fossil, then redirect to Twitch Plays Pokemon. "Helix Fossil" is a searchable term, and some content in this article could be moved to the Twitch page.  The current Helix Fossil was created just a few days ago, and only consists of redirects. At the present time, Helix Fossil is more associated with the Twitch event than the pokemon, and the player can get to the pokemon via the Twitch page. --M ASEM  (t) 00:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that an article on the HF as a whole with a subsection about it within the span of the TpP game would be a good idea. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   07:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect. Clearly not notable on its own, all the info can be found on Twitch Plays Pokémon. Permafrost46 (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. An article like this might be suitable for Bulbapedia, but as a standalone topic here? No. If there is already a TPP article, this doesn't need to be here at all, not even as a redirect. Blah2 (talk) 16:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect or merge Not notable, but some content is unique for this article. Maybe redirect?  Srolanh     See.Say. 16:28, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge with Twitch Plays Pokemon. It is not notable enough to have its own page, as it is purely related to Twitch Plays Pokémon and does not interest anyone not already in the fad enough to be more than a Trivia note or section on TPP's Wikipedia and Bulbapedia pages. I would go so far as to say this counts as Wikipedia vandalism made by silly internet meme-obsessed people. As for Helix Fossil being a searchable term, it is simply an element of the Pokémon games, and too specific to redirect to Pokémon Blue, so let Bulbapedia handle it. (I don't really understand why this page is being seriously considered.) 82.155.189.152 (talk) 22:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe this page will grow and be its own at some point, I say give it some time before thinking about removing it from Wikipedia. I'm sure as the game goes on the story of the Helix Fossil will grow to be much larger and complex that it will deserve its own page on here. But if you do decide to delete it, I bet fan sites will start popping up about the Helix Fossil, so it won't be all bad. There is a special feeling though I think that most people will get if they see this page on Wikipedia, a story that an entire community created out of a purely chaotic experience. It is amazing how this has grown to what it is right now and I bet it will continue, so I plead that you give it at least until TPP is finished with Pokemon Red, that is when they defeat the Elite Four. If you still believe this page should be removed, then move the info to TPP's page at the least. I think this is relevant to the talk page, but if I am violating the talk page guidelines, then I apologize in advance. Thank you for taking the time to read this, I appreciate this very much. Bilowik (talk) 02:30, 26 February 2014 (UTC)Bilowik — Preceding unsigned comment added by AioftheStorm (talk • contribs)
 * Delete, no merge: No indication that this "religion"/meme is notable through coverage in independent reliable sources. ... disco spinster   talk  04:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete—If this meme has cultural significance awhile from now, then we can recreate the article; as of now, though, I don't think it's worth more than a mention on the Twitch Plays Pokémon article. &mdash;Will(B) 06:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep-WIKIPEDIA WILL NOT CENSOR THE HELIX FOSSIL!--173.191.10.205 (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.