Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 9)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Hell's Kitchen (U.S.). this can be created when there are some secondary sources out there. Until then this falls under CRYSTAL Spartaz Humbug! 04:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 9)

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Article lacks any secondary sources for "season 9" this early in the process everything is WP:CRYSTAL and will be for some time. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 21:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep There will not be any substantial secondary sources until we start the official broadcast of the season. If you look at the previous seasons you see that 90% of the references are post facto references. Based on the facts that
 * The series page is already pointing at the page
 * A verifyable fact that they were casting in November of this year that is not making any PR claims
 * In order to have a discussion regarding the way certain components of the season's article will be set up via the talk page, a main article page must be created
 * Based on previous seasons ratings it is highly unlikeley that Fox will elect not to broadcast this after putting out a call for contestants.
 * I wanted to get the ball rolling on discussions for the content, but because I created the talk page without a Article it got speedied overnight without a refund. Now we have a 2nd editor jumping the gun to kick the page out when it's 99% positive that we'll have the page in wikipeida.  Let's go over the WP:BEFORE list.
 * Did not attempt to improve the page before PRODing or putting up for AFD
 * I missed adding a stub template to the article so apparently it meets a significantly higher standard than other newly created articles
 * Topic is notable enough in that it's the 9th production series of a significant Reality TV series.
 * No maintanance tags were applied before nominating the article
 * Prior to being nominated for AFD, there were links from Season 8 and the main series page. I think that qualifies for having enough context to see it's usage.
 * No assertions of lack of sources.
 * Did not attempt to engage author of article before reaching for the deletion button.
 * WP:CRYSTAL is invalid. Read the policy section again before laying the name out.  Specifically, Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place.  Hasteur (talk) 22:05, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:42, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The event is sure to happen considering they have a contract for three more seasons those are sure to happen too. Why not have an article for those as well? The Resident Anthropologist (talk)
 * Based on the fact that I haven't seen a casting call, I think those are probably too soon and still speculative. It could happen that Ramsay looses his cool and burns down the entire facility (causing the contract to be cancelled).  For season based shows my feeling is to not construct the next season's page untill the final episode of the current season is complete and no threats of cancellation are made.  It's crystal based, but less hazy than creating pages soley based on the contracts that have been announced. Hasteur (talk) 18:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep, nomination is premature.SharedPlanetType (talk) 03:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per nom until season 9 starts airing. --みんな空の下 (トーク &#124; I wanna chAngE!) 06:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am confused. I thought the points raised by the nominator were thouroughly rebutted. Can you provide guidance as to what portion of the nominator's statement you still find valid? Hasteur (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, please read WP:PERNOM as the original rationalle has been discussed against. Hasteur (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) until such time that this article can be fleshed out with secondary sources. --Admrboltz (talk) 21:37, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You do not accept an independent reporting of the call for contestants as a qualified secondary source? Hasteur (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the casting website a WP:RS? If so then I'm OK with the article being kept. You can ask on WP:RS/N if needed. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * A casting call is still a WP:PRIMARY source and is exact duplicate of what was posted on Fox.com. We can not build an article solely on primary sources. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 00:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep will be plenty of source shortly, and by then people can have built up. Turnstitle (talk) 16:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: User:Turnstitle has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of a banned user. See Sockpuppet investigations/ECW500. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.