Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hellgate Harmonie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 08:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hellgate Harmonie

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"Amateur wind ensemble" which plays in "relaxed environments such as beer gardens." There are some Google hits which are blogs and YouTube, none that count as reliable secondary sources. NN per WP:MUSIC. Prod removed by an IP address who didn't bother to improve the article. - IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 07:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC) 
 * Keep. There are a lot of mentions, including a brief mention in the New York Times - . It's borderline stuff, and strictly by the guidelines this should go, but I'm inclined to let the article grow as I feel our guidelines do not fully take into account the notability assumed by multiple internet coverage. There is an inbalance where a hundred mentions on specialist blogs and forums are discounted, yet one jobbing journalist knocking together an article is seen as reliable, even if that journalist used the internet as a source (which they do). As Hellgate Harmonie have some modest notability and an internet presence, a curious reader may wish to turn to Wikipedia for unbiased and neutral information. It would be useful if we could provide that.  SilkTork  *YES! 09:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MUSIC, WP:N, and WP:V. As a response to the above, the reason internet hype like blogs and forum posts and the like aren't taken as seriously as published sources is because, among other things, they lack editorial control, are easy to fake, and tend to be forgotten quickly.  If the notability is there, reliable sources will follow.  It's that simple. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  14:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NonvocalScream (talk) 04:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm going with delete here. What they're doing is cool, and I like it, but that's not enough to sustain here, because beyond NYC, they don't seem to be really all that notable.  Change my mind? -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 04:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as not meeting the notability requirements in WP:MUSIC or in general. Nuttah (talk) 19:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


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