Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hellier (documentary series)


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The result was Speedy keep Per WP:SKCRIT. (non-admin closure) &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:24, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Hellier (documentary series)

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Non-notable. Besides varios blogs and dubious websites, I was only able to find Richmond Registe and Vice. Neither of the reporters appears to have watched the film, because they don't comment on the show itself (as you would expect for a review). All the information seems to be quotes and info provided by the producers. Fails WP:PRODUCTREV. buidhe 02:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Recommended action is merge or redirect to Hellier, Kentucky. buidhe 02:55, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Strong Disagree: Hellier has been picked up by a major platform, Prime Video. On Youtube alone the series has over a million views when totaled together. There is precedent for much less viewed and notable shows on Wikipedia, that this show vastly exceeds in viewership and notability. Furthermore, Buidhes must not have conducted a thorough search as there are plenty of articles on the subject.


 * Bloody Disgusting
 * Ready Steady Cut
 * ComicBook.com
 * Horror Society
 * Plus, all the "weird websites" that the complantaint dismissed

TheMemeMonarch (talk) 06:20, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * #Even if you accept that Bloody Disgusting is a reliable source, those are both WP:ROUTINE trailers with press releases, without enough original content for SIGCOV. #Ready Steady Cut may have significant coverage, but its reliability has not been established.#ComicBook.com more WP:ROUTINE coverage in a questionable outlet#Horror Society: this is an actual review, but I doubt this is a reliable outletViewership statistics is not a substitute for significant coverage. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 07:04, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

The ComicBook.com article is an interview with the executive producer reguarding the potential of a 3rd season and contains a review of the first two seasons. That definitely does not meet the criteria of WP:ROUTINE. Furthermore, reliability is not at issue here. The article is not using these paranormal focused news websites as evidence for the existence of the paranormal, but only for their analysis of a paranormal themed documentary. It is similar to complaining that John F. MacArthur or any non-atheist theologian is not a reliable source on Christianity because they have some wacky religious beliefs. The beliefs expressed in these papers do not invalidate their analysis of the documentary as all they are doing is reviewing the subject matter. So far, there has been no dispute on the facts in the article and only the reliability of the sources, which I addressed earlier. To add more evidence of notability, Hellier has been discussed/reviewed on big podcasts with millions of listeners such as Last Podcast on the Left and Mysterious Universe. TheMemeMonarch (talk) 07:32, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


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