Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Help! Change TV (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:39, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Help! Change TV
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Renominating since the last AfD was closed as no consensus nine months ago. This article concerns a short-lived campaign conducted by non-notable company AIM Tell-A-Vision to have the Nielsen Media Research Group change the way it counts Latino/Hispanic viewers. The sources included in the article are not sufficient to indicate lasting notability under WP:GNG or any other criteria.

Of the references listed in the article, the first is the initiative's own website. The second is a piece on AIM Tell-A-Vision's website, responding to a short blog/opinion piece in the New York Times ( since it's not linked in the article directly). Obviously the initiative's own websites are not independent, and the blog post is 200 words mostly about other things.

The third article is from HispanicTips.com, a defunct blog. The fourth, from Mediabuyerplanner.com, has an extremely narrow audience which hardly indicates notability. Truth, Lies, and Media is a defunct blog.

The articles listed at the "HCTV Links to Articles" archive are all mostly links to the initiative's own press releases and/or "press" from minor, non-notable publications. Broadcasting & Cable, like Mediabuyerplanner, is a narrow audience. It also reads like a slightly rewritten press release and shows no indication of fact-checking or actual journalism.

The only decent source listed is The Globe & Mail article, which is reasonably on-topic and fairly in-depth. But...one article from over a decade ago isn't enough to maintain an article on an initiative that changed nothing and largely petered out after two years.

I wasn't able to find any additional sources on a search (including newspapers.com). In the absence of any more reliable independent sources, I don't think we can keep this article. (Side note: creator Robgrose is likely the same Rob Rose who was the CEO of AIM TV and the creator of this "initiative" - take that as you will.) &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 07:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 07:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:18, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - a page which has been orphaned for over a decade regarding a non-notable, short-lived company. Foxnpichu (talk) 22:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It's actually worse - it's an initiative created by a non-notable company. We're getting into recursive non-notability, lol. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:04, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yikes! Foxnpichu (talk) 10:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Both the nom's argument here, as well as StraussInTheHouse's in-depth analysis of the sources in the prior AFD, have convinced me that the current article simply does not pass the WP:GNG. Searching for any additional coverage in reliable, secondary sources beyond that has turned up nothing.  Rorshacma (talk) 17:50, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


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