Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hemmersbach Rhino Force


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  19:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hemmersbach Rhino Force
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Fails WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH. Update of article previously deleted at Afd and rejected at Afc. Highly promotional.  scope_creep Talk  04:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment This was previously deleted under the title Rhino Force; AfD here (if someone knows how to manually add the "previous AfDs" box at this point, please do). Sourcing somewhat more expansive now than last time, from what I remember, but still far from great. Seeing that Hemmersbach seems likely to survive the current AfD, I'd suggest merging there, but then the single paragraph already present in the article looks to do the job just fine. Hence, just redirect to Hemmersbach might be okay. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:28, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment DRV considered the draft version of this article suitable for main space: Deletion review/Log/2020 July 7. I'm pretty sure this article was created in draft before Rhino Force, the article that was deleted.Thincat (talk) 15:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There was non-consensus or rather a very rough consensus generated via absence of discussion. The references in the article are junk. They are a mix of press-releases, YouTube videos that nobody is watching, run of the mill business news, passing mentions and tangentially linked information. On top of that, it is almost a NLP article, with even section names being branded in NLP style of Hemmersbach Rhino Force.   scope_creep Talk  15:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Hi all, I have added in more articles from respectable journalism organisation Welt, DW and Pheonix. All are large German news agencies. Pheonix is a free-to-air channel on National tv in Germany while the other two are sigificant newspapers. Please note for the one from Welt I also referenced the jouranlists post as it is in english and the Welt.de article is behind a paywall. If you want more articles I can search for more. Please let me know and i'd be happy to do so. MichaelDubley (talk) 06:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * More Youtube videos that nobody is watching and a a press-release.     scope_creep Talk  08:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, The youtube video is a direct upload by a major German news broadcaster, Pheonix. That is evidence for notability and a good reference. Does wiki not permit videos as references? The other article is a written article by DW a major German journalism organisation. Why did you remove this? Finally you are right regarding the South China Morning Post. I have just read the wiki guidelines to notability and note press-releases hold no weight for notability and this discussion. However, wiki does allow press releases to be included so can we please keep it? While it seems Hemmersbach did pay for the post I am sure South China Morning Post does not allow all articles to be posted just because someone has money. I think it thus hold value to the reader. It doesn't make sense we keep deleting each others changes so I'll wait for your reply or someone else's judgment before restoring the changes you made. Many thanks! MichaelDubley (talk) 03.06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No one is watching it. It has 500 odd views. It is non-notable and non-RS   scope_creep Talk  11:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, I agree the video is not notable for the youtube views. But rather the live-televison views as Pheonix is part of ZDF which makes up a 15.5% of the audience share for German TV, as of 2018. I cannot find current statistics but in 2014 it had 13% audience share and was the most watched channel. I would argue that one of the top German news channels making a full-length program on a Rhino Force project is notable. Do you agree? MichaelDubley (talk) 00:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:53, 12 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


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