Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hendel Lieberman


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The result was No consensus. There are some conflicting sources but in analyzing them, it seems apparent that he was an artist from the former USSR, wounded in battle a couple of times and lost his family in the Holocaust, but what distinguishes him (and notably absent from his biography although the sources are there) is his arts career. He exhibited at the National Gallery of Moscow, possibly but probably not at the NY Met or Tate (a possible confusion between where he exhibited and where he was a member of the gallery's society, but perhaps a temporary exhibition may have included his works, but all this is unsourced). Given that, and the divergent opinions expressed below, there is no consensus to delete this article. Carlossuarez46 18:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hendel Lieberman

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While this person may have been very righteous in his own right, it is hard to fathom why there should be a "biography" about him on Wikikipedia. He is neither a famous personality nor a famous artist as the article tendentiously claims. Violates WP:NN and does not meet the standards for WP:BIO. IZAK 13:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   IZAK 13:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete for above reasons. IZAK 13:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--Yeshivish 15:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless some reason of notability is provided. Jon513 16:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Tom 17:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The article lists a couple non-trivial sources about him. These say that "Lieberman exhibited in galleries and Chassidic communities around the world, from New York to Australia," "His paintings were exhibited in the National Gallery of Moscow, the famed Tretyakov, and the regional Museum of Kabaharosyk, a major city in Eastern Siberia," and "He has had major exhibitions in Australia, Michigan, Israel, Miami, and Seattle. Major museums in New York, London, and Paris have made his paintings part of their permanent collections." This indicates sufficient notability to me. However, I'm making my vote weak because I'm unsure of the quality of the sources. nadav (talk) 03:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak keep per Nadav. One 11:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Lack of notability and references/sources to substantiate the article. Ozgod 12:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Jdcooper 14:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Keb25 14:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Hillock65 15:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep there is a book about him, from which more details can be added, but I haven't got it. That might also have a bibliography with any printed articles that aren't on the web.  I'll try to get hold of the book, but it won't happen in the next week.  He's famous in Lubavitch at least; and in his day he was well known in the NYC art world.  How known he is outside Lubavitch, or in the art world 30+ years after his death, I don't know.  Zsero 21:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep if sourced; from the external link, a reprint from t he Yiddishe Heim.:  "New York's art community also fully accepted Hendel. Widely respected among artists, he belonged to the artist-society of the Museum of Modern Art, and his paintings hang today at New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, London's Tate Gallery and art museums in Paris.  " If this can be verified elsewhere, he is unquestionably notable as an artist, quite in addition to other factors. There may be some name variation, and there are other figures in modern art named Lieberman, so I out of my depth here.  DGG (talk) 06:54, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, he is notable enough as an artist, w/work exhibited in some of the great museums. Article just needs better sourcing. -- M P er el 19:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per above discussion, esp. DGG. Bearian 01:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom ,WP:NN.--Miamite 03:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --DLand TALK 21:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


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