Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hennie Kenkhuis


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 03:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hennie Kenkhuis

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Delete recently deceased alderman in a city of about 130,000 but very little notable about him. Fails WP:GNG. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:53, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is sufficient coverage for the WP:GNG. gidonb (talk) 02:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alderman fails WP:NPOL. WP:POLOUTCOMES states that "Local politicians whose office would not ordinarily be considered notable may still clear the bar if they have received national or international press coverage, beyond the scope of what would ordinarily be expected for their role." When doing a Nexis Uni search (which includes all major Dutch news publications), most results are from the local paper, De Stentor, which is to be expected for a local politician. Looking at national newspapers, he was never mentioned by De Volkskrant, got three passing mentions in Trouw, and received one passing mention in both the Reformatorisch Dagblad and NRC Handelsblad. Passing mentions do not count towards WP:GNG. The obituary by De Stentor was also published on the website of its owner Algemeen Dagblad (but not in the newspaper), meaning I have found one source that counts towards GNG. More are needed. I would like to hear the significant coverage that gidonb has found. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 08:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The other articles with SIGCOV were also in De Stentor. gidonb (talk) 15:20, 5 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete coverage is not broad enough to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:16, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Zwolle is not a global city for the purposes of securing the "inherent" notability of its city councillors under WP:NPOL, so the notability test he would have to pass to earn inclusion in Wikipedia is not just to write that "person is a city councillor who existed and then died, the end" — it would require writing a long, very well-sourced and very substantial article about his political importance, centring on specific things he did in the job, concrete and quantifiable effects he had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. Just having an obituary in the local newspaper upon his death is not, in and of itself, enough. Bearcat (talk) 23:56, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm not going to reference this one (too time-consuming) but do want to note that the discussion here concentrates on Kenkhuis's earlier position as a council member (2000–2006). His fame is clearly NOT associated with being councilor but with his 2007–2010 position of "wethouder", the equivalent of deputy mayor. With the mayor, a wethouder is a member of the city executive, not of the council. Later he was the chairman of the Zwolle Municipal Museum, among others. gidonb (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * An alderman is not exactly a deputy mayor (or locoburgemeester in Dutch), as there are multiple at the same time. It is more like a cabinet member of the municipality (that cabinet is led by the mayor). Zwolle might possibly be large enough for mayors to get an article, but not for aldermen with only local coverage. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * A locoburgemeester is a vice-mayor, usually the wethouder who is the regular replacement for the mayor when they are away. The translation alderman for wethouder is confusing because an alderman is most commonly an elected member of the municipal council. A wethouder is NOT a member of the municipal council and is NOT popularly elected. Wethouders are part of the same body as the mayors in NL, the College van B&W. gidonb (talk) 11:15, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * For example, Uithoorn. The mayor and his three deputies, ranked in the order that the deputies replace the mayor in their capacity of vice mayors. The council members belong in another body and are elected in general elections on party lists. gidonb (talk) 04:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Deputy mayor still isn't an "inherently" notable role that would guarantee him a spot in Wikipedia. It's still a local office, which may be more important within Zwolle but doesn't make him any more important or famous to the rest of the world — so even at that level, the notability test still isn't "he existed as an officeholder", and still faces the same burden of sourcing and substance as a regular city councillor. Even actual mayor mayors aren't guaranteed inclusion in Wikipedia in the absence of a genuinely substantial and well-sourced article that properly contextualizes their significance, let alone their deputies. Bearcat (talk) 15:53, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This train of thought is certainly defendable and relates to the reason I concentrated on the WP:GNG in my own opinion upfront. gidonb (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


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