Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Doktorski


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, sources have been provided to establish notability. Davewild (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Henry Doktorski

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Self advertisement for non notable musician. Fails to meet the standards of Notability (music) and Reliable sources. Ism schism (talk) 18:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   —Ism schism (talk) 18:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Self advertisement. Non notable that does not meet the standards of Notability (music) and Reliable sources. Ism schism (talk) 18:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This is fairly well disguised advertising, and although there are many sources, the performer seems to fail WP:MUSIC entirely. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Absolutely, meets our music notability criteria. If an artist meets our music notability criteria (he does), the individual is notable enough for an article. Badagnani (talk) 19:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - It further appears, from examining the past several thousand edits of the editor proposing deletion, that 90%+ of his/her deletion proposals are for individuals or items related to ISKCON (the Hare Krishna movement). While editors are not prohibited from editing or attempting to delete articles in a single subject area, I believe this shows some sort of agenda or WP:POINT. Bringing one of the top American classical accordionists into such a battleground is really not proper. I recommend the editor branch out into attempting to delete articles on a wide variety of subjects, not just those related to ISKCON-related subjects. Badagnani (talk) 03:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please state how individual meets the criteria of Notability (music). Otherwise, there is no reason to see this article as anything but an advertisement. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Actually, you'll need to state how he doesn't. I've actually read the criteria and see that he meets them. The burden of proof is on you. Badagnani (talk) 19:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment He fails all 12 Criteria for musicians and ensembles. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The 6 CDs belie your wish (hope?). Badagnani (talk) 19:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment They are not from a major label. Wikipedia is not a place for advertisements. Next? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's not a good idea to comment (let alone start a deletion discussion) if you don't know what you're talking about. Bridge Records, Inc. is one of the top classical record labels. Badagnani (talk) 20:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Still, not a major label, and only one album on an independent label. More notability is required. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 20:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't continue to discuss with you if you don't carefully read the article and compare it to the notability guidelines. I suppose I need to set them out for you. They say 2 CDs. There are 6. Badagnani (talk) 20:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not disagree with the number of albums. But only one album is on an independent label. AND, Its still an article a person wrote about themselves. Its an advertisment. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I cannot continue to discuss with you if you don't carefully do your research. Several are on independent labels. It is strange that I have had to actually do this research and point out our own guidelines for you each step of the way rather than you (as nominator) doing that. By the way, the word "it's" contains an apostrophe. Badagnani (talk) 20:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * (Weakish) Keep, but trim to relevant, independently sourced information. This may be a vanity article, but the following links suggest to me that he has received sufficient coverage as an accordionist for an article here:, , . The chess instructor/eBay seller type stuff can go a.s.a.p., however.--Michig (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And since the record label that has released at least one of his albums has also had one of their albums receive a Grammy, I feel the record label is sufficiently notable to count for WP:BAND criterion #5.--Michig (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - The individual is highly regarded in the rarefied field of classical accordion in North America, and publishes what is probably the most comprehensive website for accordions and other free-reed instruments. Thus, he is particularly notable as far as players of this instrument in the classical field goes. Badagnani (talk) 21:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep—Passes WP:N, meaning it passes WP:MUSIC criterion #1. I just added a reference to an article about him in the Post-Tribune and there are plenty more. -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 21:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The three sources above do not meet Reliable sources nor do they establish WP:N. One album on an independent label (not a major label), does not make for an article. Also, sources must be reliable, not websites with little or no reputation. This article is still an advertisement. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - No, in fact several of the albums are on independent labels (however much you may hope or wish that they are not). This was pointed out just above, so it seems that you are not only not carefully reading the article or notability guidelines, but in fact this very discussion. Badagnani (talk) 22:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep He has one foot in academia with another in music and is a writer. I don't think that he can be specifically excluded by any of the subject specific criteria since no single guideline has specific purview.  However, he does seem to meet the WP:N guideline of being noticed in independent sources.  Yes there is no one compelling source, but there are enough sources to convince me.  On the other hand I'm not impressed by the article, which should be trimmed substantially.  --Kevin Murray (talk) 22:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Update—I have added citations to two articles about him in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and two articles about him in the Post-Tribune, one of which mentions his first-place prize in the American Accordion Musicological Society solo competition. -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 03:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - But trim down to relevant information only as per Michig's comment above. I have gone ahead and removed the ebay link and some other comments as a start. Gouranga(UK) (talk) 20:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * keep and close - looks like a bad faith AfD. Article says: "He has performed on accordion with cellist Mstislav Rostropovich, violinists Gil Shaham and Itzhak Perlman during concerts": for a guy like me with no clue about classical, to share a stage with those names reeks highly of notability. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 14:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * delete its obvious, a self promotion that does not adhere to NPOV and Notability guides. Wikidās 21:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Simply writing one line and hoping he doesn't meet the notability guidelines really isn't satisfactory. The multiple CDs belie your comment. It's important to ascribe good faith to other editors, but in this case your comment stretches this guideline quite to the brink. Badagnani (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.